Curse

iridescentfyre · Dec 23, 2007, 08:51 PM // 20:51

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Originally Posted by chris10188

well ya know what, maby im disagreeing with you cause im pissed that i baught evis already, before i read what you said, for 8k... so THERE

Eviscerate is a good skill that you'll want one way or another anyway. In PvE, it largely comes down to personal opinion whether Cleave is really "better" than Eviscerate or not. Since you have Eviscerate, I recommend you stick with it at least until you can cap Cleave.

By the way, don't waste an overpriced elite tome on Cleave, its not very difficult to get.

ac1inferno · Dec 23, 2007, 08:58 PM // 20:58

Elite Warrior Tomes are about 5-7k on Guru Auction, or you can cap Cleave from one of the following:

Arlak Stoneleaf (Ice Caves of Sorrow)
Virag Bladestone (Ice Caves of Sorrow)
Marika Granitehand (Iron Mines of Moladune)
Gornar Bellybreaker (Thunderhead Keep)
Linka Goldensteel (Frozen Forest)

Burst Cancel · Dec 23, 2007, 11:05 PM // 23:05

@ac1: Cleave benefits from IAS just as much as any other adrenal skill - you charge it proportionally faster. Whether you're using a 10a skill or a 2a skill has absolutely no bearing on whether you should bring IAS or not. IAS = much higher DPS; ergo, you always bring IAS.

Arguing whether something is 'necessary' or not in PvE is a spurious argument. As state above, no skills are necessary because you can beat the game with an empty skillbar. We're not concerned with using 'necessary' as the criterion, because it's simply not worth discussion.

@chris: Frenzy+Healsig is a running joke for obvious reasons. My point wasn't that you couldn't bring both on the same bar - my point was that a new player likely wouldn't be intelligent enough to use them correctly (read: separately). Recommending a newbie bring Frenzy in PvE is setting them up for comedic failure, moreso when Healsig is involved.

ac1inferno · Dec 23, 2007, 11:37 PM // 23:37

If you use Cleave, you don't need a IAS. Cyclone Axe would gain you more than enough adrenaline required of Cleave to charge it up. You only need a IAS if you are going to use high adrenaline attack skills such as Eviscerate.

Its true that IAS can help, but not if the only option of one is Frenzy. IAS's are used for building up adrenaline quickly, and speeding up spikes, both which are not needed. Cyclone Axe can charge up adrenaline and you don't need to speed up spikes in PvE.

Burst Cancel · Dec 24, 2007, 12:07 AM // 00:07

Cyclone axe has a 4s recharge; it's nowhere near a mashable adrenaline engine (see: Dragon Slash). For reference, under 33% IAS you could attack 4 times in the time it takes for Cyclone to recharge (swing time = 0.89s for axes). Cyclone also requires multiple enemies to be effective as adrenaline gain.

Even if we assume 4 enemies such that Cyclone charges Cleave in one use, consider:
- Under IAS, an attack cycle over 8 seconds using Cyclone and Cleave looks like:
Cyclone (0.89s - recharges at 4.89)
Cleave (1.78s)
4x Auto-attack (5.34s)
Cleave (6.23s)
Cyclone (7.12s)
Cleave (8.01ss)

- Without IAS, a cycle looks like:
Cyclone (1.33s - recharges at 5.33)
Cleave (2.66s)
4x Auto-attack (7.89s)
...

- Or, if you hit Cyclone on recharge:
Cyclone (1.33s - recharges at 5.33)
Cleave (2.66s)
2x Auto-attack (5.32s)
Cyclone (6.65s)
Cleave (7.98s)

So in the same 8 seconds, an IAS build gives you either:
- 1x Cyclone, 2x Cleave extra over scenario 1 or
- 2x Auto, 1x Cleave extra over scenario 2

... every 8 seconds. That's not a trivial difference by any stretch of the imagination.

ac1inferno · Dec 24, 2007, 01:08 AM // 01:08

I did say that IAS would help, but I stick to my belief that Frenzy is a horrible skill for PvE and should stay in PvP. The only IAS I would consider in PvE is Flail with Rush to cancel, but the OP only has Prophecies so my advice would be to not have a IAS at all.

Stormlord Alex · Dec 24, 2007, 01:17 AM // 01:17

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Originally Posted by ac1inferno

I did say that IAS would help, but I stick to my belief that Frenzy is a horrible skill for PvE and should stay in PvP

And I remind you that unless you're actually rather bad and actually find Mursaat/Titans threatening, there's nothing in NM Proph that hits all too hard. You can Frenzy pretty safely, especially as Alesia likes being an agro monkey.

Age · Dec 24, 2007, 01:30 AM // 01:30

I did use cleave but I prefer Evis. even in PvE as most Warriors do that why they all want to get to Hells for to cap it.There is nothing wrong with using frenzy in pve as long as you bring a cancel stance my choice is sprint.I wouldn't of bought an elite tomp untill you were ascended.To chris you can still use other weapons other that axes best to try them all out and if you want AoE just switch targets tab-spacebar.

blue.rellik · Dec 24, 2007, 02:35 AM // 02:35

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Originally Posted by Age

Stefan has adrenaline does he not from what this says.Stefan

Did you even read what I said?

Arkantos · Dec 24, 2007, 03:47 AM // 03:47

Running flurry is better then running no IAS at all. You still do about 12% more damage on base attacks, and you get more adrenaline.

Lourens · Dec 24, 2007, 11:35 AM // 11:35

and when you use [skill]flurry[/skill] its best to go with a zealous weapon otherwise it could be a bit hard to maintain as warrior with 2 energy regen

Sir Pandra Pierva · Dec 24, 2007, 10:49 PM // 22:49

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

And I remind you that unless you're actually rather bad and actually find Mursaat/Titans threatening, there's nothing in NM Proph that hits all too hard. You can Frenzy pretty safely, especially as Alesia likes being an agro monkey.

Mursatt do hurt when you forget to infuse new armor/

Squishy ftw · Dec 24, 2007, 11:34 PM // 23:34

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Originally Posted by Sir Pandra Pierva

Mursatt do hurt when you forget to infuse new armor/

Then stop being dumb and infuse it ?

Age · Dec 25, 2007, 01:32 AM // 01:32

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Originally Posted by blue.rellik

Did you even read what I said?

Yes I did and you said he used adrenal skill well he doesn't and yes he does use a healing sig.The problem is he doesn't make anything bleed with a barbed sword and takes damage against the lvl13 Tengu in North Kryta with riposte.

iridescentfyre · Dec 25, 2007, 01:50 AM // 01:50

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Originally Posted by Age

Yes I did and you said he used adrenal skill well he doesn't and yes he does use a healing sig.The problem is he doesn't make anything bleed with a barbed sword and takes damage against the lvl13 Tengu in North Kryta with riposte.

A barbed sword? Where are you getting that from?

Sir Pandra Pierva · Dec 25, 2007, 04:10 AM // 04:10

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Originally Posted by Squishy ftw

Then stop being dumb and infuse it ?

But I don't wanna get a run or sit through a long haul in the infusion mission or any of the hells island missions

Age · Dec 25, 2007, 04:42 AM // 04:42

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Originally Posted by iridescentfyre

A barbed sword? Where are you getting that from?

It comes from here Barbed Ascalon RazorI am surprised you didn't know this.

blue.rellik · Dec 25, 2007, 05:10 AM // 05:10

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Originally Posted by Age

Yes I did and you said he used adrenal skill well he doesn't and yes he does use a healing sig.The problem is he doesn't make anything bleed with a barbed sword and takes damage against the lvl13 Tengu in North Kryta with riposte.

You're being incredibly anal here. My whole point of the post is that Stephan has a better skill bar than most player warriors in the game, adrenal attacks or not. The fact he has some attacks and heal sig is more than enough

And it simply uses the weapon skin, that doesn't mean it really is that type of weapon

Yichi · Dec 25, 2007, 07:09 AM // 07:09

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Originally Posted by chris10188

my brain hurts reading all this, you are all just flaming me for stating my opinion,, your not even helping me, atleast some people gave me info i could use, like a build or usefull skills to consider, every one else just said DONT use this and that and im wrong for thinking healing breeze helps my style of play

I gave you a bread and butter, tried and proven warrior build that works EVERYWHERE in the game successfully and you basically scoffed at me and tried to refute what I tried to advise you to run as a much better build than the crap you posted. So please, go on sayign that people are flaming you and that no one has offered any good builds to try and help you....

ac1inferno · Dec 25, 2007, 03:49 PM // 15:49

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Originally Posted by Yichi

I gave you a bread and butter, tried and proven warrior build that works EVERYWHERE in the game successfully and you basically scoffed at me and tried to refute what I tried to advise you to run as a much better build than the crap you posted. So please, go on sayign that people are flaming you and that no one has offered any good builds to try and help you....

The build you gave him is a Shock Axe build for GvG and Ha, which are PvP. I don't know how well they would work in PvE, but thats what the OP wanted. Maybe thats why he is ignoring the build you gave him.