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pygar · Jan 28, 2008, 05:44 PM // 17:44

My quick 2 cents to throw into your build discussion, as a ranger I find Barrage to be slightly over-rated. Sure cheap cost, quick recharge and bonus damage make it so it's not a wrong move even when you are only hitting one target.....myself I prefer the Ranger Elites that have a more direct effect on single target as opposed to scatter damage from barrage. (low level mobs with no casters, barrage is fine- once the mobs have good healing/protection barrage starts to fail)

If u wanna use a Phoenix, just drop out 2 spots on your normal warrior bar for charm and comfort animal, it'l probably get you farther than your "Warrior with Barrage build" (Not saying it wont work at all, but probably just more trouble than it's worth- you dont have to do anything special for a pet build but free up the 2 slots for charm and comfort and spec some attribute points into Beast Master)

Div · Jan 28, 2008, 06:43 PM // 18:43

And the OP wonders why his threads get closed due to flame wars. Maybe because he's the one that's not listening to the advice of the more knowledgeable players and constantly trying to prove that his shit build is half decent.

You should name this thread "Warrior as B/P- don't argue with me because I know I'm right and I don't care if everyone thinks I suck". You clearly don't want and won't accept people making suggestions on the quality of the build.

Hopefully Arkantos will wander back and close this joke of a thread, because it's just 5 pages of people trying to reason with him, with him throwing hissy fits whenever people dislike his idea.

Taurucis · Jan 28, 2008, 06:53 PM // 18:53

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

And the OP wonders why his threads get closed due to flame wars. Maybe because he's the one that's not listening to the advice of the more knowledgeable players and constantly trying to prove that his shit build is half decent.

You should name this thread "Warrior as B/P- don't argue with me because I know I'm right and I don't care if everyone thinks I suck". You clearly don't want and won't accept people making suggestions on the quality of the build.

Hopefully Arkantos will wander back and close this joke of a thread, because it's just 5 pages of people trying to reason with him, with him throwing hissy fits whenever people dislike his idea.

Sweet moon sugar, who peed in your Wheaties?

It's only the jackasses saying "LULZ UR BIULD IS FAIL" who I'm yelling at. The ones who are polite, I will give them a reasonable answer. The ones who are just here to troll, I yell at. Is there anything you don't understand about that?

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Originally Posted by Whiskeyjack

How to polish? You can't polish a turd -quit guildwars.

I didn't see you up there, maybe you're lucky I didn't.

Anyway, I've got a suggestion for you. Exit Droknar's Forge into Talus Chute. Dodge past the avicara, hugging the westernmost wall, until you can duck through a narrow pass into an icy cave. You will find your brethren there. Have fun!

ShadowbaneX · Jan 28, 2008, 06:56 PM // 18:56

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

And the OP wonders why his threads get closed due to flame wars. Maybe because he's the one that's not listening to the advice of the more knowledgeable players and constantly trying to prove that his shit build is half decent.

You should name this thread "Warrior as B/P- don't argue with me because I know I'm right and I don't care if everyone thinks I suck". You clearly don't want and won't accept people making suggestions on the quality of the build.

Hopefully Arkantos will wander back and close this joke of a thread, because it's just 5 pages of people trying to reason with him, with him throwing hissy fits whenever people dislike his idea.

Since when is: "you build sux. Quit Guild Wars" advice?

He's looking for advice on the build that he has, unfortunately there's little to be had, but there are plenty of people willing to stick in their 2 cents at his expense...it's just taking a while (and a great deal of persistance I might add) to get through the general internet persona (warning: NSFW).

People here are generally only interested in builds that work better then what's generally out there. If it isn't better then it's automatic "zomgz! sux0rz! quit guild wars plz. kthxbai." I'd say that the OP has every right to ignore 90% of the posts in this thread as they are not giving any help. "...don't want and won't accept people making suggestions on the quality of the build"? He states outright that the build is only average, but he still wants to make it as good as he possibly can. He's trying to do something rather difficult and all that's thrown at him is "you can't do that in guild wars! go make a ranger!" I'd say he's got a right to ignore all the useless crap that's spanning these pages.

Chrono Re delle Ere · Jan 28, 2008, 10:08 PM // 22:08

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

And the OP wonders why his threads get closed due to flame wars. Maybe because he's the one that's not listening to the advice of the more knowledgeable players and constantly trying to prove that his shit build is half decent.

You should name this thread "Warrior as B/P- don't argue with me because I know I'm right and I don't care if everyone thinks I suck". You clearly don't want and won't accept people making suggestions on the quality of the build.

Hopefully Arkantos will wander back and close this joke of a thread, because it's just 5 pages of people trying to reason with him, with him throwing hissy fits whenever people dislike his idea.

To the OP:

as you can notice, guru is not the place to talk about funny/not perfect builds; if you want to have fun I just suggest you to check around for some nice guild, ask for help on the guild's forum, and go have a very nice relaxing, funny game experience. Flame wars starts because people around here are not enough civilized to use a "politically correct" language into a forum; furthermore a forum talking about a damn game. If I were you I would have just used the build and had fun; after using it you will notice some pros and some cons, then it's up to you to go on and use something else if you like to do so. Have fun ^^

Pyro maniac · Jan 28, 2008, 10:10 PM // 22:10

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Originally Posted by Chrono Re delle Ere

To the OP:

as you can notice, guru is not the place to talk about funny/not perfect builds; if you want to have fun I just suggest you to check around for some nice guild, ask for help on the guild's forum, and go have a very nice relaxing, funny game experience. Flame wars starts because people around here are not enough civilized to use a "politically correct" language into a forum; furthermore a forum talking about a damn game. If I were you I would have just used the build and had fun; after using it you will notice some pros and some cons, then it's up to you to go on and use something else if you like to do so. Have fun ^^

go to gwonline if you want to post crap builds imo

Chrono Re delle Ere · Jan 28, 2008, 10:14 PM // 22:14

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Originally Posted by Pyro maniac

go to gwonline if you want to post crap builds imo

And that's what I was talking about; thx for giving us a direct and immediate experice <3

I already wasted enough time here.

itsvictor · Jan 28, 2008, 10:28 PM // 22:28

Run the build on your own with h/h, if you want that urgoz monument and you're guild is not accepting the idea, well there's plenty of other guilds out there that aren't the super cookie cutter...

Yichi · Jan 28, 2008, 10:39 PM // 22:39

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

I know what you do well enough to not take anything you say seriously. You're pretty much King Flamer around here.

Oh noez!!!1 Whatever will I do...

When you're ready to actually listen to the people that tell you why your build is completely, you'll get less flamey responses.

I pointed out to you exactically why the warrior is a bad idea over the ranger and exactically why people didn't want to run in a group with you using that build.

And actually you should try listening to me. I'm right a good 95-100% of the time.

Taurucis · Jan 28, 2008, 10:43 PM // 22:43

For the last time, I am going for the Urgoz monument. I can't complete Urgoz on my ranger and ship the monument to my warrior, can I?

Check out that arrogance...

thehoweller · Jan 28, 2008, 10:51 PM // 22:51

Yichi, I wish you would listen "exactically" to what he's saying...Like he just posted above. His problem isn't in his build, it's the grouping aspect of the game.

Sure, his build is bad...But the only reason he's using it is to conform to the very closed-minded, yet not unfounded, aspect of PUGs. Instead of giving him the 95-100% always right speech, while misspelling half your words, instead offer some help.

To you Taurucis, my guild is inviting people willing to have fun. We don't run cookie-cutter builds in our groups, but we will be more than willing to include you into an Ursanway clearing of Urgoz. PM me in-game if you want an invitation (From Light, or Saviour Of Gwen are my accounts). Hopefully, unlike 75% of company on here, we'll actually be helpful.

[DE] · Jan 28, 2008, 10:59 PM // 22:59

The problem here is that the build IS fail. There's no way around it. The fact of the matter is that most people on guru will tell you it's bad in hopes that'll you'll give up your dreams of being a barrage warrior and use a more sensible build. Not only will that new build promote more skilled play and make you a better player, but your guild won't disown you and you won't become the laughing stock of pugs.

Taurucis · Jan 28, 2008, 11:12 PM // 23:12

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Originally Posted by The Phantom

The problem here is that the build IS fail. There's no way around it. The fact of the matter is that most people on guru will tell you it's bad in hopes that'll you'll give up your dreams of being a barrage warrior and use a more sensible build. Not only will that new build promote more skilled play and make you a better player, but your guild won't disown you and you won't become the laughing stock of pugs.

To be honest, they were flaming me in hopes that I'd quit Guild Wars.

And what makes it fail? The mentality that it is strictly taboo for a Warrior to use any non-warrior skills except for a rez.

MisterB · Jan 28, 2008, 11:19 PM // 23:19

The reason your build fails is because you're using the lowest DPS martial weapon on a W/R with a skillbar that a R/W can run much better and more effectively than you.

The reason your thread fails is because you are being too defensive in your responses to people who are pointing out its flaws. You see them as attacking you when they are just trying to point out that the build is bad, and attacking it.

pygar · Jan 28, 2008, 11:21 PM // 23:21

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

To be honest, they were flaming me in hopes that I'd quit Guild Wars.

And what makes it fail? The mentality that it is strictly taboo for a Warrior to use any non-warrior skills except for a rez.

I think Barrage makes it fail, as I posted above barrage is over-rated, I dont know if I would even place it 4th in line of ranger elites....second, the signet you want to use with it is not going to help as much as you think....since its a "next X amount of attacks" Barrage could burn that signet up in 2 shots, and then it's not very much extra damage, and you wait 45 seconds for it to come back.

You do not have to run barrage or any other ranger skills besides charm and comfort animal to use a pet. I know the "B/P ranger" is a classic cookie cutter, but not against the law to do something else with a pet build (IMO, barrage is so popular with pet builds because of skillbar space)....I think you should just run pretty much your standard Warrior build with only minimal changes to your attributes and skills.

Turtle222 · Jan 28, 2008, 11:21 PM // 23:21

Hi Taurucis,

If you are intent on using B/P then i shall give you some suggestions:

I wouldn't use that signet of strength. the recharge is not really worth it, particularly in urgoz.

Use I am the strongest, its a capable skill.

SY would work i should think. you claim you manage your energy - thus i believe you, glad you got over the most threatening barrier.

Have you had a go at any EoTN skills? perhaps there is one that would be useful to you

Unfortunately, i don't have much experience to make a B/P warrior work, but good luck to you buddy, hope you make a break through

P.S. Retaliating with flames to these posters only encourages them. Ignoring an infant is the key

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isamu kurosawa · Jan 28, 2008, 11:21 PM // 23:21

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

For the last time, I am going for the Urgoz monument. I can't complete Urgoz on my ranger and ship the monument to my warrior, can I?

Check out that arrogance...

You could always learn how to play properly and use a real warrior build there. PUGs resort to crap like tanks, safety builds like B/P or cheating with ursan. If your guild realise that build is as bad as it is then maybe they'll play through urgoz with you using a proper setup such as:

1x sy dragonslash warrior <--you
2x eternal melandru dervishes
1x rt/n minion bomber
1x ward ele with battle standard of honour
1x BHA epidemic ranger
3x hybrid Rts (one assigned a single melee ally to look after)
1x WoH hybrid monk
1x SoD hybrid monk
1x weapon of remedy resto Rt

thats one of many setups you can use without relying on crap like barrage on a warrior, one of the dervishes can also be replaced for a moebius/DB sin as well as many other tweaks.

Also, I keep seing you bringing up the dual profession mechanic as an explanation. Secondary professions are designed to suppliment a build only and as such running a primary with mostly secondary skills doesnt work in most cases.

Taurucis · Jan 28, 2008, 11:22 PM // 23:22

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Originally Posted by MisterB

The reason your thread fails is because you are being too defensive in your responses to people who are pointing out its flaws. You see them as attacking you when they are just trying to point out that the build is bad, and attacking it.

They're not pointing out its flaws. They're insulting me blatantly, I know what flaming is, and what they're doing is flaming.

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Originally Posted by pygar

You do not have to run barrage or any other ranger skills besides charm and comfort animal to use a pet. I know the "B/P ranger" is a classic cookie cutter, but not against the law to do something else with a pet build.

You want me to run an IWAY warrior in Urgoz? It pretty much seems against the law for a warrior to bring any non-warrior skills.

Jetdoc · Jan 28, 2008, 11:29 PM // 23:29

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

And what makes it fail? The mentality that it is strictly taboo for a Warrior to use any non-warrior skills except for a rez.

It's not fail, it's just sub-par compared to what a normal B/P can offer.

See my post above pointing out my personal experience with your build and the flaws it has.

If you can correct some of those flaws, we can reconsider it and determine whether it is a true alternative to a B/P.

pygar · Jan 28, 2008, 11:32 PM // 23:32

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

You want me to run an IWAY warrior in Urgoz? It pretty much seems against the law for a warrior to bring any non-warrior skills.

Wow, now I'm going to join the "too defensive" camp of ppl here.

Run whatever you want dude, if you dont want other people's input don't ask for it.