Curse

Brazilian · May 05, 2008, 09:52 PM // 21:52

I found [drunken master] very convenient, but it gives me 15% instead of frenzy's 33%. Of course, it is way more lazy friendly, since theres no downsides, just the fact of the non perfect IAS rate, and frenzy has its scary but manageable downside. So, should I substitute [drunken master] for [frenzy] + [sprint] / [rush]? Wich speed boost seems better in this situation? According to my math, [frenzy] will give me +50% damage and [drunken master] will give me only +18%. I wish I had spare booze or flail.

Tyla · May 05, 2008, 10:11 PM // 22:11

You can buy beer for roughly 100g, not sure because I don't use Drunken Master.

For Frenzy, Rush is the better cancel stance. Your adrenaline would be quite high practically instantly.

Bront · May 05, 2008, 11:55 PM // 23:55

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Originally Posted by Brazilian

I found [drunken master] very convenient, but it gives me 15% instead of frenzy's 33%. Of course, it is way more lazy friendly, since theres no downsides, just the fact of the non perfect IAS rate, and frenzy has its scary but manageable downside. So, should I substitute [drunken master] for [frenzy] + [sprint] / [rush]? Wich speed boost seems better in this situation? According to my math, [frenzy] will give me +50% damage and [drunken master] will give me only +18%. I wish I had spare booze or flail.

Drunken Master isn't 33%, but it's 2 skills in 1, which is useful for skill bar compression, and it's duration means that it's better on your energy, both of which are useful considerations on a conjure bar (because the Conjure eats up a skill slot normally reserved for other skills like FGJ or an IAS or Speed skill, and it costs 10 energy). Admittedly, it is a lazy solution, but IAS + Speed boost at the same time is quite useful.

In PvP, a common conjure bar combines [conjure lightning] and [shock]. Not sure how well that would work in PvE though, and not sure what Shock replaces on a skill bar (FGJ maybe?) You need some Radiant Insignias or Atunement runes to deal with the exhaustion though.

Kale Ironfist · May 06, 2008, 12:19 AM // 00:19

IIRC, you actually have to be drunk (level 3), so you need 3 level one drinks, and that will only last one minute. What you can do, is do the Norn Tournament repeatedly to gain tokens, and trade five of them for an aged dwarven ale (level 5 drink; 3 minutes drunk).

Brazilian · May 06, 2008, 02:19 AM // 02:19

Do you guys think using conjure is more effective than doing 14 axe, 13 str? (I hope you understand me.)

Bront · May 06, 2008, 02:31 AM // 02:31

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Originally Posted by Brazilian

Do you guys think using conjure is more effective than doing 14 axe, 13 str? (I hope you understand me.)

Possibly, if the people you're attacking are weak to that element.

Otherwise, Vampiric axe with 14 axe/13 str probably works better, and you can always throw "I am the strongest" on there as well.

Crom The Pale · May 06, 2008, 03:23 AM // 03:23

Conjures work best in maps where you know your facing either mobs that are weak against a certain element or lots of wars(they are weak vs all elements).

Kale Ironfist · May 06, 2008, 03:31 AM // 03:31

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Originally Posted by Bront

Possibly, if the people you're attacking are weak to that element.

Otherwise, Vampiric axe with 14 axe/13 str probably works better, and you can always throw "I am the strongest" on there as well.

The extra strength is almost pitiful damage compared to the conjure. Even if they aren't weak to the element (ie, their armor vs physical and element is the same), the conjure will outdamage a build with a vamp weapon and higher strength.

itsvictor · May 06, 2008, 04:15 AM // 04:15

Conjure actually adds a lot of DPS except it makes your attacks dealing elemental damage which makes it not work w/ barbs/MoP, you need different team synergy in the case of using conjure. I like using it in PvP, because big damage=good damage

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Edit: @OP i would just run Eviscerate, executioneer's, brawling, d-chop,conjure, frenzy,sprint
the last slot should be situational for things like pain inverter, res, for great justice

Mr Pink57 · May 07, 2008, 07:10 AM // 07:10

Id drop Evis for Cleave. Lower adren and same +dmg, then I would put Body Blow on in case you take a weaken armor necro plus a lower adren gain for spike. If you want to add deep wound take dismember over penetrating blow.

pink

Silent Hunter Xx · May 07, 2008, 08:09 AM // 08:09

Well atm im using a similar build but for sword
[Conjure frost][Crippling slash][Gash][Whirlwind attack][brawling headbut]["for great justice"][Armor of frost][res sig]
Works well and theres no need for healing sig seeing as most of the time your gonna have some form of monk or another and i dont see the need for a running skill Dosent really make sense
plus healing sig gives ya -40 armor while using it so dont appeal to me.
but what ever floats your boat
but yea seeing your using axe you could change the 3 sword skills for
[Eviscerate][Axe Rake] and [penetrating blow] or [Cyclone axe]
all up to you if ya wanna use adrenline or energy
so if ya wanna use energy skills take out ["For great justice"] and put in [Frenzy] just 1 tip on frenzy use it when your not taking hits cause if ya do your gonna be dying alot
and if ya wanted ya could change [res sig] for [ursan]
Then ya'd change [Eviscerate] for [Dismember] maybe

**Marty Silverblade** · May 07, 2008, 09:26 AM // 09:26

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Originally Posted by Silent Hunter Xx

[Conjure frost][Crippling slash][Gash][Whirlwind attack][brawling headbut]["for great justice"][Armor of frost][res sig]

You have 116 AL vs. physical, thats unmatched by any profession. Why are you wasting a slot buffing it? No IAS either, so thats a major downside.

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[Eviscerate][Axe Rake] and [penetrating blow] or [Cyclone axe]

Axe Rake is meh, just [[Executioner's Strike]/[[Body Blow] them to kill them instead. Penetrating isn't too hot either.

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so if ya wanna use energy skills take out ["For great justice"] and put in [Frenzy] just 1 tip on frenzy use it when your not taking hits cause if ya do your gonna be dying alot

Thats why people use Rush. It's a cancel stance.

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and if ya wanted ya could change [res sig] for [ursan]

...sigh

Silent Hunter Xx · May 07, 2008, 12:18 PM // 12:18

ok well taking that into account how about
[Conjure frost][Crippling slash][gash][sun and moon slash][Brawling headbut][Flail][Lions Comfort][res sig]
this is for my build seeing as mine seems to be useless

Tyla · May 07, 2008, 07:37 PM // 19:37

That's because snares aren't necesarily good in PvE usually, since enemies don't kite as much.

Cripslash is quite sexy, i must admit though.

(Although this WAS Proph / GW:EN only...)

Age · May 07, 2008, 09:00 PM // 21:00

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Originally Posted by Brazilian

Do you guys think using conjure is more effective than doing 14 axe, 13 str? (I hope you understand me.)

Conjures work better on sword and shock is better on axes but that doesn't mean you have do it that way.

**Marty Silverblade** · May 08, 2008, 05:15 AM // 05:15

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Originally Posted by Silent Hunter Xx

ok well taking that into account how about
[Conjure frost][Crippling slash][gash][sun and moon slash][Brawling headbut][Flail][Lions Comfort][res sig]
this is for my build seeing as mine seems to be useless

Seeing as you're running BH already, you may as well throw in [[Steelfang Slash]. You've got 4 attacks already though, I'd be a brave War and drop either [[res sig] or [[Lion's Comfort] for [[FGJ] and swap [[SaMS] for Steelfang.

It'd look something like this:

[Conjure Frost][Crippling Slash][Gash][Brawling Headbutt][Steelfang Slash][Flail][FGJ][res sig]

EDIT: Even braver Wars could drop both res sig and LC and take SY aswell seeing as though you've got adr pumping anyway.

Brazilian · May 08, 2008, 01:43 PM // 13:43

Well, I'm feeling kind of bad seeing all those NF skills...
Anyway, I'd like to know if conjure is usable for general PvE use (because of its additional damage), or ifI should go 14 axe, 13 str instead and adding some other skill (and wich would it be)besides being able to use another haft.

Tyla · May 08, 2008, 03:18 PM // 15:18

Go for a conjure if you want, req 10 ofcourse, so you may need a req 9 shield.

@Age -- How did you work that out? Conjure works equally as effective on Sword and Axe, as does Shock.

Silent Hunter Xx · May 08, 2008, 04:20 PM // 16:20

Allright thanks for the tips marty

Age · May 08, 2008, 11:11 PM // 23:11

@Tyla I really like using it on sword and axe with shock just personal preference that is all.