Curse

Maneo Ranae · Jun 15, 2008, 06:07 PM // 18:07

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Originally Posted by IcyFiftyFive

if your pet dies, it also disables all your skills. They don't do enough dmg/have enough armor in the frontlines, and any skills to increase their armor/damage will drain your energy too much as a warrior.

Kk,... Even though I admit a pet on a warrior isn't the best choice, you're giving the wrong reasons >_< It's death does disable your skills, but a lvl 20 Pet has 80 armor, as much as a Warrior or a Paragon, and a lvl 20 Dire Pet has a better damage rate than a Hammer itself (20-46, crits included), and all it needs is [Call of Protection], which only costs 5e and lasts 120 secs,...

I just can't stand by and watch someone call pets useless!

Gotta love 'em <3.

Bobby2 · Jun 15, 2008, 07:01 PM // 19:01

[skill]earth shaker[/skill][skill]grasping earth[/skill]

now go HA HA HA U KANNOT ESCAYP

Age · Jun 15, 2008, 08:20 PM // 20:20

I would go with grasping earth not shock or conjures on a hammer warrior.You could use armour of earth as well as magnetic earth I usppose but grasping is the one you want.

Necrotic · Jun 15, 2008, 08:49 PM // 20:49

I agree Maneo....I was about to say basically the same thing about pets, definately not useless. My warrior made it all the way to the desert as a Ranger secondary and while I didn't always equip the pet...I frequently had [skill]Apply Poison[/skill] and [skill]Tiger's Fury[/skill] on my skillbar.

Red Sand · Jun 15, 2008, 11:46 PM // 23:46

Sometimes I'll take W/Me to make people wonder, but usually I keep W/Mo just to be annoying.

Oh... [Mending Touch] Rules.

zelgadissan · Jun 16, 2008, 12:18 AM // 00:18

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Originally Posted by Bowstring Badass

Honestly kd's in PvE are useless imo

I lol'd.

Basically listen to anything Marty has said: [Earth Shaker], [You Move Like a Dwarf!], [Bull's Strike], and I would suggest [For Great Justice!]. As a hammer warrior you probably don't even need the other four skills (ok, slight exaggeration).

Xavius Vedinas · Jun 16, 2008, 12:25 AM // 00:25

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Originally Posted by Bowstring Badass

Honestly kd's in PvE are useless imo.. I honestly just run an axe bar or dslash spam. But I do like the kd chance with [great dwarf weapon] is just icing on a very good cake. No crappy self heals though your meant to damage not tank...

[great dwarf weapon] is a ally only spell. No useful in bringing it on your bar if you're the only human player, being Heroes and Henchmen cant use Title Track skills.

Alex the Great · Jun 16, 2008, 12:30 AM // 00:30

bring para for [enduring harmony]+["for great justice!"]

Bobby2 · Jun 16, 2008, 12:44 AM // 00:44

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Originally Posted by Xavius Vedinas

[great dwarf weapon] is a ally only spell. No useful in bringing it on your bar if you're the only human player, being Heroes and Henchmen cant use Title Track skills.

Pyre packs Barrage.

= more KDs.

All for the Greater Good pl0x.

Gribnoor · Jun 16, 2008, 08:55 AM // 08:55

Hang on, so whats the deal with pets? Some people think they are useless and some think they are a good? I understand that they do require a lot of skill point investment, away from your damage really, but then again, its the benifit of a second individual also dealing damage... so really, it comes down to whether the investment is worthwhile?
Is an investment in a pet worth the skills spent? definately kool but if it doesnt pay off then damage from element sounds pretty good....

Stormlord Alex · Jun 16, 2008, 09:08 AM // 09:08

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Originally Posted by Gribnoor

Is an investment in a pet worth the skills spent? definately kool but if it doesnt pay off then damage from element sounds pretty good....

Pretty much... [conjure flame] > pet
Period.

Conjure is strong at a measly 8 spec, pets don't really do much untill around 12 spec (half your attribute points).

Conjure is one skill, a pet is at least 2 - then an extra couple if you want it to be useful ([[call of protection], [[feral lunge] etc.)

Oh, and Conjure doesn't black out your skillbar for 8 seconds (clearing your adrenaline, btw) when it goes down - which a pet does.

Pets are really quite a bad way of supplementing your damage as a warrior.

xDusT II · Jun 16, 2008, 09:14 AM // 09:14

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Originally Posted by Gribnoor

Hang on, so whats the deal with pets? Some people think they are useless and some think they are a good? I understand that they do require a lot of skill point investment, away from your damage really, but then again, its the benifit of a second individual also dealing damage... so really, it comes down to whether the investment is worthwhile?
Is an investment in a pet worth the skills spent? definately kool but if it doesnt pay off then damage from element sounds pretty good....

Pet's are useless to a warrior. They're going to most likely waste two skills on your bar, they require a large attribute spread into a line that provides no real benefit to your class, they don't do anything that other options could do better and they carry the additional burden of blacking out your skills when they die and diverting heals from AI monks.

In fact the entire ranger line is largely useless for a warrior, as your not going to get anything with practical uses out of it. Apply Poison is too expensive for a warrior to continually maintain and the ranger based stances are nothing the warrior stances can't handle. Considering you want to play a hammer warrior, Flail should be your general purpose IAS stance anyway.

As for a secondary, as a warrior it really isn't that important. The warrior's own skill line combined with PvE skills gives you enough options to create a strong skill bar without gimping yourself in some way. /E probably provides you with the largest variety of potentially useful skills, while the other professions may hold a couple of niche skills useful in specific scenarios.

Stormlord Alex · Jun 16, 2008, 09:34 AM // 09:34

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Originally Posted by xDusT II

In fact the entire ranger line is largely useless for a warrior...

Apart from, of course, the new [antidote signet]

Like EH from /P, that one skill alone is enough to consider /R as a viable secondary.

Crom The Pale · Jun 16, 2008, 01:05 PM // 13:05

Pets on most war builds are detrimental, however for a hammer war that doesnt need to invest points for a shield you can bring a pet and do some extra free damage with it.

The one time I really loved my pet on my war/ranger was during the preview of GWEN when [Feral Aggression] was only 5E and lasted 20sec and dealt +15dmg( for my 10 point investment that is )...

Maneo Ranae · Jun 16, 2008, 05:16 PM // 17:16

Feral Aggression costing just 5e o_0,... Kk, I get it, that would be awesomely overpowered,... Lol.

Crom The Pale · Jun 17, 2008, 03:07 AM // 03:07

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Originally Posted by Maneo Ranae

Feral Aggression costing just 5e o_0,... Kk, I get it, that would be awesomely overpowered,... Lol.

Just a little bit overpowered, but gee...why not give us a single skill that at 12attributes allowed my Dire White Tiger to out DPS my DragonSlash build?????