Curse

ImAgainstIt · Sep 04, 2008, 06:44 AM // 06:44

I'm a L20 W/E and right now, no matter how I set up my char it just sucks. I've got all the skills upto beacons. I have 80 Armor/Templar and am using this sword -

I have Prophecies and EoTN. I've looked at builds, and none of them are that good for my class, I just get creamed. can anyone suggest anything to help me ?

ALF71BE · Sep 04, 2008, 06:47 AM // 06:47

Not quite getting your point here...

But out of curiosity, you're at least taking henchmen with you right?

Gift3d · Sep 04, 2008, 07:00 AM // 07:00

For PvP - http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Shock_Axe

For PvE, emmm... kind of limited for having only prophecies and eotn.

[tiger's fury] / [tiger stance],[galrath slash][body blow][brawling headbutt][distracting blow][asuran scan][i am the strongest][resurrection signet]
would be my best attempt.

i don't really know of any good prophecies elites for a sword warrior. You could throw in [hundred blades] in there if you want.

ImAgainstIt · Sep 04, 2008, 07:10 AM // 07:10

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Originally Posted by ALF71BE

Not quite getting your point here...

But out of curiosity, you're at least taking henchmen with you right?

point is, i suck and need to know how to play somewhat decent so i can get out of shiverpeak.
I'm taking heroes, the few I've gotten from EoTN, but even then I'm having trouble making them into a decent build.

And Gift3d, thanks, I'll go and get those skills and give it a try.

ALF71BE · Sep 04, 2008, 08:15 AM // 08:15

Well let's see...

I strongly suggest using a conjure for Proph only, so:

[conjure flame]/Other conjures [rush]/defensive stance [frenzy]/Other IAS [sever artery][gash][body blow]

My best try lawl. Rush cancels Frenzy when you start to see your hp drop too quickly, or you could fit Tiger Stance of course. Deep Wound is too good to skip it, should be a staple in any warrior bar, same goes for an IAS... Unless you're going against non-fleshy foes in which case sword is not very reliable.

Last spots could be resurrection signet and maybe an interrupt like Savage Slash/Distracting Blow or something defensive.

IMO Asuran Scan is overkill for any build, it's not like foes last that long or have that much hp, and well I Am The Strongest seems to me like signet of Strength which I never liked, so take one if you want to... Might as well try with [ebon battle standard of honor] which also helps your team.

Cartello · Sep 04, 2008, 08:15 AM // 08:15

I suggest you don't take heros then. They prolly don't have max damage weapons let alone skill bars that suffise. Stay out of GW:EN for the timebeing and use full henchman teams like back in the day'.

I think the fact you took out the time to come review what forums to post on, set up an account and watch the topic only goes to hinder yourself further. (Doesn't ANYBODY just play the base game before joining these sites anymore?) Seems like time wasted.

It shouldn't be a sweat to get through the game.

So.

1. Full henchteam. (No Hero's that are untrustworthy)
2. Try to fill up with 3 enegy moves, 3 adren moves, a defencive move(Defencive Stance?) and some self healing (Healing Signet, with max tactics preferably) *This is assuming you don't have an elite skill at this time.*
3. Real players? - Might be hard but in only a few more hours America wakes up.

Don't give up if you fail in the Shiverpeaks missions. You'll gain nothing magical posting on here, it's a help site. Nobody can walk you through with a 'fix-all' build. Most things are learned on the game, usually through death and hopefully leading to victory. (Or logging out)

Going againsed EVERYTHING I believe, why don't you check PvX wiki, and simple GuildWiki, everyone else does.

Lykan · Sep 04, 2008, 09:05 AM // 09:05

Before you do anything else customize your weapon.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/List_...s_weaponsmiths

ImAgainstIt · Sep 04, 2008, 09:46 AM // 09:46

Thanks, I'll try to find those skills and test them out, most I've never heard of. but i will definitely look into them as there seem to be some pretty good ones

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Originally Posted by Cartello

Going againsed EVERYTHING I believe, why don't you check PvX wiki, and simple GuildWiki, everyone else does.

Yeah, I was thinking of just ditching them until I get better at it and get some decent skills, the henchmen seemed to be better healing, etc.

I'll check out pvx, hopefully they have something that will help at my level and my few skills. is buying weapons for heroes the same as for your char ?

Thanks

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Originally Posted by Lykan

Before you do anything else customize your weapon.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/List_...s_weaponsmiths

Thanks, I wasn't sure whether or not to customize it as I hoped to resell it later on when I find something better, but may as well do it.. Will customize it now.

edit - another thing, where is a good place for me to farm / make some money? I'm doing the extravaganza mission in Gunnars over and over and making a bit, and occasionally running Ice Chasm and making a few. there are alot of chests that need lockpicks, but is it worth it for them?

Thanks alot everyone.

isamu kurosawa · Sep 04, 2008, 10:09 AM // 10:09

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Originally Posted by ImAgainstIt

edit - another thing, where is a good place for me to farm / make some money? I'm doing the extravaganza mission in Gunnars over and over and making a bit, and occasionally running Ice Chasm and making a few. there are alot of chests that need lockpicks, but is it worth it for them?

Thanks alot everyone.

Don't bother trying to farm money so early in the game. Wait till you get the grips of playing and winning first.
You don't even need the money with only one character.

Cartello · Sep 04, 2008, 10:10 AM // 10:10

Stay away from lockpicks at this early stage, you won't make any profit.
I'm completely againsed what Lykan just said. Don't customise your weapons yet. Finish the campain first. (I completed the three standalones without a customisable weapon and STILL did better and faster than most other players) - They're highly overrated.
*NOTE: They're GREAT, however, that's if you can afford only the best in the line. Sinse you can't, I suggest you don't.*

Assuming you have a Tactics shield you can then use the following as a BASE build. *please don't go and modify it with crap people, it's for a new player after all..*

Gash, Sever Artery, Hundered Blades (Elite), For Great Justice, Healing Signet, Defensive Stance, Pure Strike and Seeking Blade.

Using this should allow you some self-healing, a stance to defend againsed Arrows and Melee, good enegy dmg + fast adren charging with the shout and powerful adren moves /w conditions.

All of this is found in prophecies.
Use Guild Wiki to see where they can be brought/obtained.

legacyofkain85 · Sep 04, 2008, 12:23 PM // 12:23

this is an axe build for pve
W/E Conjure Cleaver
[build prof=W/E Str=11+1 Axe=12+1+1 Water=6][Cleave][Executioner's Strike][Dismember][Distracting Strike][Frenzy][Rush][Conjure Frost][Resurrection Signet][/build]

a sword build,
W/E Conjure Hundred Blades
[build prof=W/E Strength=11+1 Sword=12+1+1 Water=6][Hundred Blades][Sever Artery][Gash][Body Blow][Frenzy][Rush][Conjure Frost][Resurrection Signet][/build]

u could lose a skill for [Distracting Strike]maybe either the res ,altho i do not advise it or the conjure,but then it wouldnt be a conjure hundred blades build

ImAgainstIt · Sep 04, 2008, 01:35 PM // 13:35

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Originally Posted by isamu kurosawa

Don't bother trying to farm money so early in the game. Wait till you get the grips of playing and winning first.
You don't even need the money with only one character.

Alright, just that I wanted to buy some skills and whatnot, but yeah, I definitely need to get a grip with the game before I do anything more.

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Originally Posted by Cartello

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ah, i already customized that weapon, oh well. how much would a best of the line sword cost? and what would its stats look like ? yeah i've got a tactics shield / shield of the wing, 14 armor. as for the skills, i actualyl have most of those, one of the ones i dont, hundred blades, is going to take me a while, but the rest should be easy to get. Thanks alot , definitely something to work too.

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Originally Posted by legacyofkain85

this is an axe build for pve
W/E Conjure Cleaver
[build prof=W/E Str=11+1 Axe=12+1+1 Water=6][Cleave][Executioner's Strike][Dismember][Distracting Strike][Frenzy][Rush][Conjure Frost][Resurrection Signet][/build]

a sword build,
W/E Conjure Hundred Blades
[build prof=W/E Strength=11+1 Sword=12+1+1 Water=6][Hundred Blades][Sever Artery][Gash][Body Blow][Frenzy][Rush][Conjure Frost][Resurrection Signet][/build]

u could lose a skill for [Distracting Strike]maybe either the res ,altho i do not advise it or the conjure,but then it wouldnt be a conjure hundred blades build

where can i get a frost sword from ? how much do they cost ? that conjure spell looks awesome.

Gill Halendt · Sep 04, 2008, 02:35 PM // 14:35

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Originally Posted by ImAgainstIt

where can i get a frost sword from ? how much do they cost ? that conjure spell looks awesome.

You could just put an Icy Sword Hilt on your Flamberge. It will replace the Furious mod and make your weapon deal Cold Damage instead of Slashing Damage.

Otherwise... Well, almost any sword can turn into a "frost" sword, the only exceptions are a handful of fiery swords which have a inherent Fiery Hilt that cannot be removed because of the actual nature of their blade, it being made out of either a burning flame or molten lava.

Mind you Conjure Frost is Water Magic. There's also Conjure Flame (Fire Magic) and Conjure Lightning (Air Magic). Pick the element you like best and get a sword with the corresponding elemental hilt.

So, it's up to you. You can:

- Upgrade your Flamberge with an elemental hilt of your choice
- Get another sword you like and an elemental hilt to upgrade it
- Get one of those sword that already have an inherent elemental hilt: those are the Fiery Dragon Sword (aka FDS), the Fiery Gladius and the Embersteel Blade, all dealing Fire Damage. There's also an Icy Dragon Sword (aka IDS) which deals Cold Damage. There's no known sword with an inherent shocking hilt.

So, if you don't wanna upgrade your Flamberge and get another sword to play with Conjures, FDSs and IDSs are pretty easy to find and also rather cheap (about 15-20k), otherwise an elemental hilt to upgrade an existing sword will cost you 1k or less.

Lykan · Sep 04, 2008, 02:37 PM // 14:37

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Originally Posted by Cartello

I'm completely againsed what Lykan just said. Don't customise your weapons yet. Finish the campain first. (I completed the three standalones without a customisable weapon and STILL did better and faster than most other players) - They're highly overrated.
*NOTE: They're GREAT, however, that's if you can afford only the best in the line. Sinse you can't, I suggest you don't.*

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+20% Damage is overrated?

The main goal of a warrior is to do BIG DAMAGE, if you don't max your damage potential then you are a bad warrior.

And what difference is there in only customising expensive weapons? If your using it to kill stuff customize it, if you want it only to show off and maybe sell it then you don't have to customize I guess. I wouldn't fight with it tho.

Gill Halendt · Sep 04, 2008, 02:46 PM // 14:46

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Originally Posted by Lykan

+20% Damage is overrated?

The main goal of a warrior is to do BIG DAMAGE, if you don't max your damage potential then you are a bad warrior.

Easy there. I don't wanna customize my swords since I'm a collector, I have more than 30 swords and also have 3 different warriors in my account that could use them. I don't wanna be considered like a "bad warrior" because of this. "Bad warriors" are a whole different thing.

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Originally Posted by Lykan

And what difference is there in only customising expensive weapons? If your using it to kill stuff customize it, if you want it only to show off and maybe sell it then you don't have to customize I guess. I wouldn't fight with it tho.

My one and only customized sword is an inscribable Longsword (and the BMP ones). Customized it because it's worth nothing anyway, so I tought I could squeeze the true potential out of this weapon with no regrets. I'd never customize expensive stuff tough.

Lykan · Sep 04, 2008, 03:17 PM // 15:17

Ok bad may be a bit strong, but if your hitting stuff with it customize it. If you don't wana customize vanity items fine but use something else to fight or you're just inferior to warriors who don't care.

Yogismith · Sep 04, 2008, 03:40 PM // 15:40

I may be wrong but I thought the +20% to damage was only to the base damage of the weapon.

Cartello · Sep 04, 2008, 03:57 PM // 15:57

It is. Bad Warrior is very harsh. I'd hope you don't take that attitude with you all the time, many of us posting here have over a thousand hours clocked onto a warrior porfession and that'll just instigate flame.
Customising I can agree with but he did say he wanted to sell it later on.
The 20% is base damage so it'll hardly be recognisable.

I'm sure skills > custom anyday. I don't remember the last time my weapons base damage saved me, it's usually about what skills I'm using. *I do actually use a custom weapon, but still.. I don't hold out too much hope on a small bonus*

Whilst we're branching onto the subject, ImAgainstIt, have you checked this link: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10216727

Whilst you're in the Shiverpeaks remember to keep your aggro under control.
The last person from this site I helped with Shiverpeaks ran into countless mobs and wondered why he was losing. One mob at a time, right? :P

I think from here the only real thing you can do is keep on trying.

ImAgainstIt · Sep 04, 2008, 04:22 PM // 16:22

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

You could just put an Icy Sword Hilt on your Flamberge. It will replace the Furious mod and make your weapon deal Cold Damage instead of Slashing Damage.

Otherwise... Well, almost any sword can turn into a "frost" sword, the only exceptions are a handful of fiery swords which have a inherent Fiery Hilt that cannot be removed because of the actual nature of their blade, it being made out of either a burning flame or molten lava.

Mind you Conjure Frost is Water Magic. There's also Conjure Flame (Fire Magic) and Conjure Lightning (Air Magic). Pick the element you like best and get a sword with the corresponding elemental hilt.

So, it's up to you. You can:

- Upgrade your Flamberge with an elemental hilt of your choice
- Get another sword you like and an elemental hilt to upgrade it
- Get one of those sword that already have an inherent elemental hilt: those are the Fiery Dragon Sword (aka FDS), the Fiery Gladius and the Embersteel Blade, all dealing Fire Damage. There's also an Icy Dragon Sword (aka IDS) which deals Cold Damage. There's no known sword with an inherent shocking hilt.

So, if you don't wanna upgrade your Flamberge and get another sword to play with Conjures, FDSs and IDSs are pretty easy to find and also rather cheap (about 15-20k), otherwise an elemental hilt to upgrade an existing sword will cost you 1k or less.

Hmm, I'll buy one of those hilts and then go farm/get a IDS and FDS as they seem to be something I might want to have, thanks alot for all the info about elementals, really had no idea about them. just have to go find these conjure spells now.

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Originally Posted by Cartello

Whilst we're branching onto the subject, ImAgainstIt, have you checked this link: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10216727

Whilst you're in the Shiverpeaks remember to keep your aggro under control.
The last person from this site I helped with Shiverpeaks ran into countless mobs and wondered why he was losing. One mob at a time, right? :P

I think from here the only real thing you can do is keep on trying.

Yeah, I didn't notice that thread until after I posted this. as for aggro, it was one of my problems. fixed now. yeaah, gotta keep on trying.

and thanks alot everyone else for the info about customizing.

legacyofkain85 · Sep 04, 2008, 04:25 PM // 16:25

man pm me in game Lord Nowe ,il give u any mod u want or good greens(sword ,axe,shield)free ofc ,already got to many of them.Don´t know what hours il be on curently painting mi apartement lol so i´m a bit busy.