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Oct 19, 2008, 01:34 AM // 01:34
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: NJ
Guild: Yama Seki [Obon]
Profession: W/D
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Do I have any options for good sword builds without Factions?
Getting tired of scythe and axe, so I want to go sword. However, I don't have Factions or EotN, so I don't have access to Dragon Slash, Sun and Moon Slash, or any real good elites. I only have Prophecies and Nightfall.
I'm assuming due to my limited skillset that I should take some Strength elite, but I'm not sure which. If I were to go swords, what build would you recommend? |
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Oct 19, 2008, 01:44 AM // 01:44
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Will Bull's Strike for $!
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Isle of the Dead
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Well, with NF you could always use Cripslash for your Elite.
Also, the non-attribute Elites Coward!, You're All Alone!, and Skull Crack. In PvE, you can take almost anything that you want to take and still make it through. I ran a W/N who used Life Transfer for his Elite all the way through Prophecies (when it was the only campaign out). |
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Oct 19, 2008, 01:46 AM // 01:46
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: May 2007
Location: living room
Profession: N/
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if you have NF, then cripslash is probably the best sword elite you have available. other than that as tyrael suggested some of the non attribute elites are very nice as well.
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Oct 19, 2008, 02:21 AM // 02:21
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: There
Guild: [ToA]
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Crip Slash and You're All Alone! are your best options.
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Oct 19, 2008, 02:25 AM // 02:25
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Apr 2008
Guild: The Raging Cadavers [rage]
Profession: R/
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gogo hammer! Although if your not down with that, then Cripslash is probably your best bet. But hammer is definately win, unless you don't like knocking down the entire mob.
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Oct 19, 2008, 02:40 AM // 02:40
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Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: near SF, CA
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You can also go Steady Stance + Wild/Drunken blow... it's quite a combo that works with all melee weapons. It becomes quite nasty with ripostes or other adrenelin fueled attacks.
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Oct 19, 2008, 02:54 AM // 02:54
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Will Bull's Strike for $!
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Isle of the Dead
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Don't you mean Desperate Blow instead of Wild Blow? Wild Blow removes the target's Stance and auto-crits, but you lose all Adrenaline. Desperate Blow/Drunken Blow are the Prophecies/Factions copy skills. Of course this means that he can't use Drunken Blow because he doesn't have Factions. Also, three pretty big problems with Steady Stance: 1) It's a Tactics Elite. Putting points into Tactics screws you up with a -40AL self-heal and less armor pen. 2) It screws you out of an IAS Stance. IAS = +50% DPS. The conditions from Drunken/Desperate Blow aren't going to make up for it. 3) If you use Drunken/Desperate Blow when not under the effects of SS you fall down and go boom. Dolyak Signet will only save you so long with the reduction in Strength (not that you should be bringing it, it sucks for general play - it's only useful for farming); the only other viable option would be to use "I Meant To Do That!" to gain Adrenaline from the self-KD, but again, the lowered Strength is going to nip returns on that as well... Good suggestion, but I'm not sure if it's going to work out for the best in this case. I still say go with Cripslash, and barring that, one of the non-attribute Elites... Last edited by _Nihilist_; Oct 19, 2008 at 02:59 AM // 02:59.. |
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Oct 19, 2008, 04:14 AM // 04:14
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Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: near SF, CA
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 However, it's very nice when combined with certain PvE-only skills like Whirlwind Attack and Brawling Headbutt (I know, he doesn't have EotN, but he can get it later). The combo's fast adrenelin generation really shines when raw damage output is concerned -- the SS-warrior can riposte every few seconds, and each final thrust needs only a few hits to fully charge.EDIT: CripSlash is pretty good in PvP, but SS + D/D can handle both PvP and PvE very well. Last edited by lord_shar; Oct 19, 2008 at 04:55 AM // 04:55.. |
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Nov 07, 2008, 04:29 AM // 04:29
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: California
Guild: Reign Of Judgment [RoJ]
Profession: W/E
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nah, get factions, dragonslash ftw
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Nov 07, 2008, 07:20 AM // 07:20
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Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Sydney, Australia
Guild: Haze of Light [pure]
Profession: R/
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Wow... just wow. Dragonslash is not the be all and end all of sword elites. Its like saying should I stop running axe coz i dont have prof? (Evis). If you can get factions go for it, however dont avoid swords coz you dont have factions. Thats just stupid.
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Nov 07, 2008, 11:08 AM // 11:08
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Will Bull's Strike for $!
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Isle of the Dead
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shar, good points. I should have prefaced my post with "I hate Tactics, so my view is a bit biased..."; of course, I've hated Tactics on Warrior primaries since the only GW out was Proph... lol |
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Nov 07, 2008, 11:36 AM // 11:36
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Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Delayed in order to meet ANet's high standards
Guild: [MaSS]
Profession: W/E
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You haven't specified for what purpose. I'll assume general PvE here.
[battle rage], with or without [never rampage alone]
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Nov 07, 2008, 11:52 AM // 11:52
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Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Sydney, Australia
Guild: Haze of Light [pure]
Profession: R/
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Im sorry, I cant see how NRA benefits Battle Rage
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Nov 07, 2008, 12:18 PM // 12:18
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: far far away
Profession: W/
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BR is a Stance, but NRA isn't
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Nov 07, 2008, 02:39 PM // 14:39
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Jun 2006
Guild: Heroes of the Horn
Profession: A/Me
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prophecies: [[earth shaker], [[crude swing], [['for great justice'] nightfall: [[whirlwind attack], [[flail], [[enraging charge] optional x2. You can toss in a pair of hammer or melee attacks, toss in a res. You can go /P for [[Enduring Harmony] and [[Signet of Return], if you want a longer 'FGJ' and a reusable res. It's also a good idea to bring along an Arcane Orders Dervish Hero for support. As other's have said though, if you want sword and are without Factions your best bet for sword is Crippling Slash or a non-attribute elite, like Grenth's Balance. |
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Nov 07, 2008, 03:15 PM // 15:15
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Feb 2006
Profession: W/
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[hundred [email protected]][sever [email protected]][[email protected]][final [email protected]][[email protected]][enraging [email protected]][conjure [email protected]][res sig] ~A Leprechaun~ |
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Nov 07, 2008, 06:08 PM // 18:08
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Will Bull's Strike for $!
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Isle of the Dead
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Just remember that if you want to use the [Battle Rage] / [Never Rampage Alone] combo that there is going to be a little bit of downtime, as refreshing [[Never Rampage Alone] is going to cancel [[Battle Rage].
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Nov 07, 2008, 08:33 PM // 20:33
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Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Delayed in order to meet ANet's high standards
Guild: [MaSS]
Profession: W/E
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Pessimist. Battle Rage charges itself back up in 2 hits. No downtime.
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Nov 08, 2008, 02:44 AM // 02:44
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Hall Hero
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: California Canada/BC
Guild: STG Administrator
Profession: Mo/
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Who says you even need an elite just get good elemental,vamp,zealouse weapon.
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Nov 08, 2008, 03:51 AM // 03:51
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: May 2008
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Cripslash + conjure is pretty much your only decent sword option.
the NRA thing is pretty energy-heavy even with a zealous weapon. |
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