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Mustache Mayhem · Jan 28, 2009, 02:40 AM // 02:40

try 13 str for the extra armor.. use warriors endurance and a zealous axe- swing away with whatever energy skill you want and you can even use a stance with it nowdays =]

basically a warrior is a damage dealer with very high armor without any help.. 13 in str and you can just do all damage build

HawkofStorms · Jan 28, 2009, 04:08 AM // 04:08

Rage of the Ntouka is alright. Better stuff exists, but if that's the elite you have atm its fine. The nice thing about it is you can use it in between fights. That way, you can build up your adrenaline before a fight and attack with your big adrenaline skills right away.

I wouldn't worry too much about the posts you've been getting. You don't need "the best" build to succeed in PvE. Just something moderately good will allow you to beat most of the game. You've already learned a lot from your first post, which is nice. Give it time and you'll be able to figure out for yourself what works and what doesn't. A lot of players just bang there head against the wall and complain about how this game is terrible/too hard rather then listen to advice and get better.

Raging Apes · Jan 28, 2009, 04:42 AM // 04:42

I see the battlecruiser is reporting. :P

Yeah. I was incredibly frustrated, but now I'm beginning to enjoy the warrior thanks to what I've seen here. And it's a plus for my girl, she doesn't have to hear my !@#$ing anymore =D

Ben-A-BoO · Jan 28, 2009, 09:22 AM // 09:22

EveryoneI know tells me to get a warrior over a dervish ..

Isn't it ironic?

Zamochit · Jan 28, 2009, 09:40 AM // 09:40

I would just like to say one thing about [skill]lions comfort[/skill] which is often forgotten. It resets the adrenaline clock, which can be very usefull when moving between mobs in pve.

bungusmaximus · Jan 28, 2009, 09:54 AM // 09:54

You play a warrior because you wanna:
-Look mean
-Blow stuff up
-laugh at dervishes

hoovehand · Jan 28, 2009, 11:54 AM // 11:54

warriors are awesome, most of my points have been mentioned in this thread already but just to reiterate. basically it looks like you're thinking about making a perfect build...

my axe build consists of cyclone (aoe), eviscerate (deep wound), exec (bonus damage), whirlwind attack (aoe), flail (33% AS), for great justice (double adrenaline), antidote signet (remove blind and weakness), wild blow (almost every ranger mob in the entire game uses a block stance, this 8th slot is a utility slot and can be changed for res or cap signet, possibly cancel stance if you went with frenzy)

- always take a skill with +33% attack speed, flail or frenzy (i prefer flail, as lvl 28 bosses like to introduce you to their double damage searing flames etc)

- consider using a zealous weapon, the increased energy regen should enable you to spam your energy skills. hold onto your elemental weapon to use against enemies with high physical armour.

- always take a deep wound, it removes 20% of the mobs hp.

- take condition removal to quickly remove blind and/or weakness, antidote signet or purge conditions. don't take mend ailment, you want to quickly remove blind, not stand there flushing your energy down the toilet. note in some situations you can't beat blindness (blinding flash mobs).

- don't take skills which conflict with your strategy.

CHannum · Jan 28, 2009, 12:55 PM // 12:55

I'll just say that having played all ten classes, most of them extensively (still haven't fully grokked Ritualist or Necromancer and am a bit on the amateur side with my Dervish), my warrior is still - by a wide margin - my favorite character to play. It's not even a contest.

Any character class is about knowing how to put together (or at least spot a good build for you style) and knowing how to use it, full stop. In PVE there is no best class. Some are marginally better than others, but even my not even close to optimal smite monk has finished all the games in normal mode without breaking much of a sweat. If you're posting the original post, you need to spend more time learning what *you* are doing instead of blaming the character class.

Empress Amarox · Jan 28, 2009, 01:30 PM // 13:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raging Apes

Hey everyone, thank you for your replies. I tried out some of your suggestions and they seem to be making a difference. I scrapped most of my Energy skills and tried out the Adrenaline business. At first I was scared to try because I didn't want to spend an eternity trying to climb my way up in adrenaline to beable to execute one attack, but then I realize there's some decent skills that don't require huge amounts of adrenaline.

This is what my bar looks like:

[Barbarous Slice] - Seems like a decent adrenaline alternative to Power Attack, and it has Bleed.
[Berserker Stance] - So I can gain adrenaline and hit stuff too.
[Whirlwind Attack] - So I can hit multiple mobs at once.
[Galrath Slash] - +35 damage. That's pretty cool I think.
[Bull's Strike] - Because everything ignores me anyway.
[Sprint] - Because ... I'm supposed to have it. I know there's uses for it, I just have to figure out a little bit more as to what.
[Lion's Comfort] - Heals, and adrenaline strikes too. Seems pretty good to me.
[Resurrect] - Because I'm the last guy standing.

(Thanks to Mathias for telling me how to post skills here)

I know it's not the best setup. I'm sure I could replace a few things, maybe put in energy stuff. Maybe even Gash to accompany Barberous Slash?

No offense to you, but that's completely horrible. Try something less bad... Here's some random crap:

[big single target dmg;OQASEZKTaF+FAGTNLOxgGWCA]
[big damage;OQokEhUcloqEfRaR5WqYfxOoh1WB]
[more big dmg;OQATEVKXRKtQlJVsvIvYHcrorAA]

I put this on heroes, it might suit you better:
[this;OQgjEpUcoR8V+FAGTNGGSi9FJXA]

Or replace [[distracting strike] with [[save yourselves].

Or if you're cool like me and run discordway heroes...
[this;OQcUERKXFvS+FAGLQ2kxkGGxgCAA]

First two skills are pretty much useless on that bar, probably even [[savage slash]. Didn't ever get around to figuring out what was optimal.

Whatever you run, I suggest getting [[splinter weapon] on your heroes, so you can feel more beast. If you still feel weak, grab a conjure, and have someone put a [[strength of honor] on you.

[example;OQYTgyYSZRr8LAbqZq+6n6GA]

I don't suggest ever trying these in PvE, GvG stuff:
[primal rage;OQYSEZJP/soCUZvyU+JnDBA]
[build prof=W/Rt str=12+1+1 ham=12+1 res=3][Flail][Magehunter's Smash][Crushing Blow][Hammer Bash][Distracting Strike][enraging charge][Bull's Strike][Death Pact Signet][/build]
[shock axe;OQYTgmIL5RrIV2rQFmyP5cIAAA]
[enraged smash;OQcTE5J/HivapAsI8RScCC3RAAA]

I use this crap in RA:
[dev;OQASE5JP81xCYRqdW+rGWBA]
[spear;OQkiExlMBkZGqgJkxX9XZYJAAA]
[dagger;OQcSE5OPF2/X/Lhpw4f2FBA]
[pretend to be a derv;OQoiExp8UYluCFjCT5nYXEAA]

fenix · Jan 28, 2009, 01:41 PM // 13:41

Empress Amarox, as nice as it is to trash someone and suggest a bunch of bad PvE bars, and standard PvP bars, have a read of the thread first.

The OP is somewhat limited with Chapters, so suggesting terribad bars that all have at least one skill that the OP can't use is stupid. Secondly, you only suggested one bar that is actually any good for PvE. You can't just say "that's completely horrible" then suggest a bar like the "big damage" bar, which incidentally does shit damage.

Maybe go back to the drawing board. Raging Apes, please ignore this person, they're not being helpful.

bungusmaximus · Jan 28, 2009, 01:48 PM // 13:48

Lol big damage and dolyak signet, and the pope wears a condom

MisterB · Jan 28, 2009, 02:01 PM // 14:01

The "big damage" bar looks like an UW smite farming bar, and the "more big damage" appears to be a raptor cave farm build. Suggesting farming builds for general use doesn't help.

Empress Amarox · Jan 28, 2009, 05:40 PM // 17:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenix

Empress Amarox, as nice as it is to trash someone and suggest a bunch of bad PvE bars, and standard PvP bars, have a read of the thread first.

The OP is somewhat limited with Chapters, so suggesting terribad bars that all have at least one skill that the OP can't use is stupid. Secondly, you only suggested one bar that is actually any good for PvE. You can't just say "that's completely horrible" then suggest a bar like the "big damage" bar, which incidentally does shit damage.

Maybe go back to the drawing board. Raging Apes, please ignore this person, they're not being helpful.

Who are you to say I'm not being helpful..?

The bars that do "shit damage" incidentally kill mobs with like what, 2 hits? Yeah, they're farming builds. So what?

Did I miss the point that the OP thought wars did shit damage and wanted a derv because their fiancee could just walk up and kill mobs with a blink? Because, that's what I read, and that's why I responded how I did.

Be less of a troll tbh.

Brazilian · Jan 28, 2009, 06:25 PM // 18:25

From what I understood, you have Prophecies and Nightfall only, right? If so, here's a build for you:
[build=OQkSE5JThF7giFgF8VGWmYXF]
Carry also a Zealous Hammer just in case energy turn into a problem.

Raging Apes · Jan 28, 2009, 09:10 PM // 21:10

Thanks for all the advice everyone

I have since Ascended (Killed my double in about 2 seconds on the first try, shocked the hell out of me), and I've switched from Wammo to W/D. It's fun as hell, being a scythe warrior with Warrior's Endurance. I can wack things down really damn fast. I like the DPS, but I'm not going to make the build I've made a lynchpin.

And Amarox, thanks for the plethora of suggestions, but a lot of them use Factions skills which I can't access.

blue.rellik · Jan 29, 2009, 01:31 AM // 01:31

If you want to use Axe then I suggest something like this
[Eviscerate][Executioners Strike][Disrupting Chop][Flail][Enraging Charge][Lion's Comfort]

Don't listen to the haters, [Eviscerate] is still easily the best axe elite for both pvp and pvp ([Triple Chop] is overrated as hell)

For sword, I used something like
[Crippling Slash][Gash][Galrath Slash][Flail][Enraging Charge][Lion's Comfort] and some utility in the remaining slots

For hammer..... you have so much variety. Nearly hammer elite is usuable

Raging Apes · Jan 29, 2009, 03:38 AM // 03:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by blue.rellik

For sword, I used something like
[Crippling Slash][Gash][Galrath Slash][Flail][Enraging Charge][Lion's Comfort] and some utility in the remaining slots

This is exactly what my sword setup looks like right now =D

_Nihilist_ · Jan 29, 2009, 04:55 AM // 04:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by blue.rellik

...is still easily the best axe elite for both pvp and pvp...

Wow. I think you meant to say

Quote:

...is still easily the best axe elite for both pvp and pve...

Either way, you're wrong, blue.rellik. Why? In PvE, enemies die much too quickly for [[Eviscerate] to be of much use. You can argue that without Eviscerate you don't have bar compression, slotting both an Elite and [[Dismember] for Deep Wound, but again, you miss the point that in PvE land, Deep Wound isn't as powerful as in the realm of PvP.
Before you misquote me, and say that I claimed Deep Wound isn't a powerful condition, let me say it again:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrael_Eveningsong

...in PvE land, Deep Wound isn't as powerful as in the realm of PvP.

[[[email protected]] + [[[email protected]] vs. [[[email protected]] is pretty simple to justify. Evis costs 8a. Cleave costs 4a, Dismember costs 5a. While this means that there is more adrenaline gain needed to apply Cleave/Dismember separately than Eviscerate, it also means that you can pick and choose WHEN TO APPLY the bonus damage and the Deep Wound. If you are fighting a mob with relatively little hp, do you really want to use an 8a skill to finish them? Not I. I would rather smack them with a 4a Cleave than waste 3a on a DW that isn't going to do crap. Alternatively, say you just fired off your Evis... what do you do when you roll up to your next mob, who is at FULL HP. Hot DAMN that DW would be nice against a full-HP baddie... but if you just used Evis... you are now effectively a sad panda... NO DW FOR YOU! However, had you used Cleave... you'd still have Dismember charged and ready to IMMEDIATELY DW that full HP Warrior mob.

See the point?

Also, remember that building adrenaline isn't really linear. If you use Cleave, a 4a skill, it doesn't drain 4a from your available adrenaline. It drains 1 strike of Adrenaline to activate the skill, and upon a successful hit, you regain that 1a. Since you used Cleave, you have to build 4 MORE adrenaline to use it again, but all of your other skills that were charged when you used Cleave should be fully charged and ready to use! So it only takes 5a to use Cleave/Dismember, and Evis would still be 3a away from charging for the first use.

Spike Stritter · Jan 29, 2009, 05:05 AM // 05:05

well,
the REAL reason u want to be a warrior is so u can use [healing signet]+ [frenzy] while looking pro with your FoW and eternal set at the same time.

blue.rellik · Jan 29, 2009, 05:48 AM // 05:48

Tyrael_Eveningsong, please stop talking. Seriously, it's for your own benefit.