Curse

Triaz · Feb 24, 2009, 03:59 PM // 15:59

After an extended GW break I have came back and finished things up with my ranger main. My warrior has always been a very close secondary character. So I dusted him off and remembered how fun they are.

I used to run w/r most of the time but have been playing around with w/p recently w/p has been fun. I have Elite platemail that I use most of the time, and a set of reg gladiator that I just use on some novelty wammo farm builds.My plate became dreadnaught's with the introduction of insigs.

I am now itching to build a new set of armor which will prolly be of elite flavor not sure which one I want just yet as far as looks go. I will be doing pve and pvp both with my warrior. What is the general idea now on warrior armor would knight's or survivor insigs be better suited to what I want to do? I always used knight's armor until I made my elite plate (at the time there was no elite knight's armor).

Oh and wth happened to sup absorption rune prices? I have a few saved in inventory that I collected long ago in case I ever decided to make new armor but now you can get 'em for next to nothing at the rune trader. Good thing I found 'em all and didn't have to rob a bank to buy them back in the day

Rak Orgon of Beowulf · Feb 24, 2009, 04:38 PM // 16:38

DISCLAIMER: i am by no means a warrior expert. many others in the forums can probably give better answers, but here's my attempt

imo survivors are the way to go, but not everyone thinks so. in PvE its not gona make much difference cause PvE is ez mode lol, but in PvP, survivors save you from spikes.
if you're gonna be running a hammer, don't forget a stonefist on your gauntlets or boots.

as for Sup absorb prices, not sure why they're so cheap. but they are and its kinda nice.

Flinte · Feb 24, 2009, 04:44 PM // 16:44

Sentinels.. 100 AL vs phys and elemental is a beautiful thing. Just wear your other armor when you are running a build that can not meet the 13 strength req. If you are running minor runes then survivors wont really ever be necessary, and to the above poster any decent pvp war wont run survivors insigs unless he can not meet the 13 AL for sentinels (So only when your running a conjure skill [conjure frost] really.. then you run survivors.).

jiggles · Feb 24, 2009, 05:02 PM // 17:02

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Originally Posted by Triaz

Oh and wth happened to sup absorption rune prices? I have a few saved in inventory that I collected long ago in case I ever decided to make new armor but now you can get 'em for next to nothing at the rune trader. Good thing I found 'em all and didn't have to rob a bank to buy them back in the day

everybody and their mothers thought they were good, and so everybody bought them and farmed for them. Then everybody realised they were bad and sold them.

Snow Bunny · Feb 24, 2009, 05:11 PM // 17:11

Survivor's is essentially your best bet in any situation, anywhere.

Revelations · Feb 24, 2009, 05:17 PM // 17:17

Survivors and a stonefist (EDIT: Obv. only if you have a kd). +1 hat +1 rune for your weapon and +1 strength rune, unless brave or running enraging charge, then major strength.

Flinte · Feb 24, 2009, 05:20 PM // 17:20

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Survivor's is essentially your best bet in any situation, anywhere.

ur a retard, survivors is like the fat fall back chick you go with to the prom when the hot chick (sentinels) tells you no. There is a reason sentinels is the most expensive war insig. just wear a strength +1 helm give you (14 strength and 13 weapon) to keep you from getting rocked by weakness.

Snow Bunny · Feb 24, 2009, 05:24 PM // 17:24

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Originally Posted by Flinte

ur a retard, survivors is like the fat fall back chick you go with to the prom when the hot chick (sentinels) tells you no. There is a reason sentinels is the most expensive war insig.

Oh, my mistake.

Use a stonefist in your gloves as well.

Sentinels is pretty bad, but I don't feel like writing an essay why.

Revelations · Feb 24, 2009, 05:29 PM // 17:29

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Originally Posted by Flinte

...any decent pvp war wont run survivors insigs unless he can not meet the 13 AL for sentinels...

Pretty sure any pvper worth playing with uses survivors.

Only time I see sentinels justifiably being used is Build Warsing pve, if you're going into an area with a lot of ele damage and no weakness.

TBH it shouldn't really matter much in pve anyway.

moriz · Feb 24, 2009, 05:33 PM // 17:33

sentinels is only worthwhile if you know you'll face ALOT of elemental damage. otherwise, just use survivors.

in pvp, if you ever play a shock axe build, you'll want radiant for the extra energy buffer. if not, survivors.

.Cookie. · Feb 24, 2009, 05:45 PM // 17:45

Basically, in PvP, armor > health. With warriors and sentinel armors, you take 25% less damage against elemental damage because of that 20 armor you get. If you ran survivors, you would have 35 health more instead. If you get 600 elemental damage (60 armor) and you used survivors,you would take around 450 damage, but with sentinels, you take only 300 damage. Of course if you run with 14 str 13 weapon, you feel like your build doesnt have any balls, then you can ofc run with dreadnaughts insignias. Only time you should run health instead of armor (casters) is against rawrspike with shell shock.

Revelations · Feb 24, 2009, 06:03 PM // 18:03

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Originally Posted by .Cookie.

Basically, in PvP, armor > health...

Despite my earlier comments I actually have to agree with this based on higher end pvp (which I assume is your basis given your tag). When I see a thread in Campfire bring up pvp though I usually assume RA/AB being the epitome of pvp for most.

Basically in decent ranked gvg you will have enemy wars switching to elemental weapons when attacking other warriors which would definitely make sentinels viable, and efficient.

In lower end pvp where a large portion of damage comes from physical characters who believe that a sundering mod is the pinnacle of their weapons potential I would be more inclined to use survivor insignias. The remainder of that damage is mostly made up by armor ignoring hexes. VoR/LC/Empathy and all that crap run pretty rampant in arenas.

Though for pve I would still suggest survivors.

Loki Seiguro · Feb 24, 2009, 06:03 PM // 18:03

In pvp everyone will use survivor insigs.

In pve its a little different as everyone seems to like using sup runes and what not which in pvp is only used for spikes or brave-like-bear way.

For an elite in pve I'd go with attack skills or the one people use in iway for pvp (battle rage?) as it gives double adrine per hit so its good.

Flinte · Feb 24, 2009, 06:43 PM // 18:43

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Originally Posted by Loki Seiguro

In pvp everyone will use survivor insigs.

everyone huh.. except that midline casters in any 8v8 play or even arenas if they have any type of self enchant should take blessed on their chest and legs, and survivor everywhere else.

Monks should run disciples insigs (+ armor under conditions)

and warriors should run sentinels with 1 stonefist (assuming KD on their bar) unless they are running conjure.

Some VERY BAD warriors run radiant with shock because they exhaust themselves too quickly without it.

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Originally Posted by chopchoppanda of Rebel Rising rawr

For the last rune on a warrior I can go either way between vitae, absorption, or cripple reduction.
Sometimes I change depending on map or opponent, most times I just run whatever I had in last game.

Sents is generally preferable, rest looks fine, keep in mind though, I wouldn't always run minor strength.

There is another post with him talking bout when he runs [shock]+[primal rage] he runs sent but obviously takes survivors with [primal rage]+[conjure lightning]

So by everyone you mean a few.. thanks for providing inaccurate info though

moriz · Feb 24, 2009, 06:58 PM // 18:58

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Originally Posted by Flinte

everyone huh.. except that midline casters in any 8v8 play or even arenas if they have any type of self enchant should take blessed on their chest and legs, and survivor everywhere else.

Monks should run disciples insigs (+ armor under conditions)

and warriors should run sentinels with 1 stonefist (assuming KD on their bar) unless they are running conjure.

Some VERY BAD warriors run radiant with shock because they exhaust themselves too quickly without it.

So by everyone you mean a few.. thanks for providing inaccurate info though

i think your info is inaccurate.

everything you've described (except stonefist, which every warrior should have regardless, since a warrior without any KD is very rare) are for niche situations.

-sentinel's sometimes get used on hammer warriors, and only because they go 14 str 13 hammer for +4 adrenaline on enraging charge. otherwise, weakness will suddenly make the armor disappear
-blessed insignia's bonus disappears if the enchantments get stripped. in the rend enchantment era, that happens more often that you think
-disciples is only used against condition overloads, which are not particularly useful in the era of uber removals
-radiant on shock axes means one extra shock/bull's strike. that means an extra KD on pushes. an extra KD on a push can lead to a wipe and subsequent win. that's a fair tradeoff for -35hp.

so yes, for general purpose, it's survivor insignia with radiant a distant second. everything else is niche only.

Flinte · Feb 24, 2009, 07:13 PM // 19:13

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Originally Posted by moriz

-disciples is only used against condition overloads, which are not particularly useful in the era of uber removals

Thanks for playing

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Originally Posted by threepounds of rawr

+15 armor while conditioned on all 5 pieces of armor
1 minor smiting rune
1 minor protection rune
1 minor divine rune
1 vite rune
1 superior vigor

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Originally Posted by awowa of rawr

+Armor reduces damage so much that it's almost always worth it. You're also getting more bang for your buck out of your Rofs (because now your rof can better match the damage source).

Obviously recovery and recoup is built into rawrs build and they can get away with this a bit easier than most but still monks in arenas and HoH are following suit in every R9+ group I play in.

moriz · Feb 24, 2009, 07:30 PM // 19:30

and +armor on monks is relevant to warriors in... what ways?

Mega Storm · Feb 24, 2009, 07:57 PM // 19:57

hmm. You sound like you just want some armor that looks swank mostly. Do what I do and get yourself a couple new sets in different styles. Runes are fairly cheap now so just go to wikki and look around for whatever sets/parts you might like for the look factor and then go farm for them. Then you will have both options open to you. 1 set for PVP, 1 for PVE, and both will look good to you. Then it'll be easier to see what type you seem to need more often and continue customising the runes and upgrades to both.

Plus..if you get 2 new sets, you can add them to your HOM and pimp it out a little.

sph0nz · Feb 24, 2009, 08:08 PM // 20:08

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Originally Posted by Flinte

ur a retard, survivors is like the fat fall back chick you go with to the prom when the hot chick (sentinels) tells you no. There is a reason sentinels is the most expensive war insig. just wear a strength +1 helm give you (14 strength and 13 weapon) to keep you from getting rocked by weakness.

Nice analogy.

So because rawr runs sentinels, most other people do too.

Regardless, there are no statistics to say what insignia is actually used the most.

However, survivors is unconditional, so it's generally favorable. Just get multiple sets of armor with different insignias.

DreamRunner · Feb 25, 2009, 02:34 AM // 02:34

I would advised to run sentinels in PvE because you will get hit with elemental damage a lot more than in PvP. The weakness condition seems to be quite rare in PvE on a whole basis compared to other conditions, like bleeding. The only time weakness is noticeable, it is only in certain areas.

Survivor is just the unconditional standard which the GW community seems to set as the best rune but really, find what you think is best after doing some tests with each rune. I found sentinels more beneficial than survivor on my warrior which now just does PvE.