Curse

iToasterHD · Mar 31, 2009, 04:58 PM // 16:58

Me again! Same stipulations as before on Ranger forum.

PvE only build; No PvE skills (except Sunspear); Thank you all in advanced for the comments and suggestions.

Build 1: Sword
[Standing Slash][Sun and Moon Slash][Dragon Slash][Whirlwind Attack][Flail][Enraging Charge][For Great Justice!][Lion's Comfort]
Build 2: Axe
[Eviscerate][Axe Twist][Body Blow][Whirlwind Attack][Flail][Enraging Charge][For Great Justice!][Lion's Comfort]
Build 3: Hammer
[Earth Shaker][Pulverizing Smash][Fierce Blow][Whirlwind Attack][Flail][Enraging Charge][For Great Justice!][Lion's Comfort]

Weapon and Strength attributes are set to 14.

Winterclaw · Mar 31, 2009, 05:14 PM // 17:14

There are no "stipulations" on your ranger build.

First one sucks because you left out headbutt, steelfang, and SY. BTW, if you are using S&M slash and WA, use 100 blades instead.
Second one sucks because you have no way to apply cracked armor (I'm assuming you are using a hero) and axe twist is a bad skill.
Third one is okay I guess.

Winterclaw · Mar 31, 2009, 05:26 PM // 17:26

IMO cleave+cracked armor+bb would be better than his current set up.

I'd also like to add, it looks like the op just threw in WW attack into his builds with little consideration. There are times when it is nice, but there are also times when it is a waste of a skill slot or it doesn't take advantage of things.

iToasterHD · Mar 31, 2009, 06:04 PM // 18:04

I placed [Whirlwind Attack] in each of the builds because most of the attacks cost large amounts of adrenaline and when [For Great Justice!] runs out, it is a cheap way to gain some more adrenaline as well as to deal dmg to adjacent foes.

Picuso · Mar 31, 2009, 06:05 PM // 18:05

Swap [Fierce Blow] for [Crude Swing].

And I would take [Cleave]+[Dismember] instead of [Eviscerate], but that's me ^^'

EDIT: And I would use a 14/13 Wea/Str split instead of 14/14. You win some health

iToasterHD · Mar 31, 2009, 06:13 PM // 18:13

Why [Crude Swing] over [Fierce Blow] when it has a -40 armor and does only +19 dmg to the occasional nearby foe, while [Fierce Blow] does massive dmg to a single target.

Also, [Cleave] + [Dismember] can be accomplished in one skill. Does 5 adrenaline make it worth losing an extra slot?

So [Whirlwind Attack] is unnecessary?

MagmaRed · Mar 31, 2009, 06:21 PM // 18:21

For an Earthshaker build, you want to knock foes down with it, then knock them down again as soon as they get up. If you have attacks that hit multiple targets, gaining the adrenaline for another Earthshaker is easy. Whirlwind and Crude both hit multiple targets. If you are using FGJ and/or have enough foes around you, ES+Crude can keep things knocked down permanently.

Sun and Moon isn't terribly effective on its own. It has no +damage, so you need to supply some from another source, like Hundred Blades or a Conjure, Orders, etc. Without Save Yourselves or another high damage adrenaline skill, Dragon Slash isn't the best elite. I'd recommend either swapping to Hundred Blades or toss in some skills like Save Yourselves.

iToasterHD · Mar 31, 2009, 06:23 PM // 18:23

So that is why you use [Crude Swing] rather then [Whirlwind Attack] so you can spam it faster, maintaining knockdown. I see, thank you.

Picuso · Mar 31, 2009, 06:32 PM // 18:32

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Originally Posted by iToasterHD

So that is why you use [Crude Swing] rather then [Whirlwind Attack] so you can spam it faster, maintaining knockdown. I see, thank you.

No, that's why you use [Crude Swing] AND [Whirlwind Attack].

Earthshaker -> Crude -> Earthshaker -> Whirlwind -> Rinse and repeat

P.S
With [Cleave]+[Dismember] you can only apply DW if needed, and spam Cleave to increase DPS. Eviscerate's bonus damage is bigger, but you need more attacks to charge it.

iToasterHD · Mar 31, 2009, 06:36 PM // 18:36

Was just finding that out in Isle of the Nameless. Thank you.

Okay, how about why [Cleave] + [Dismember] over [Eviscerate]?

EDIT: Haha, saw that right as I submitted. What about Weakness? Not worth it? And still suggest 14/13 split? Rather then 14/14?

ac1inferno · Mar 31, 2009, 06:48 PM // 18:48

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Originally Posted by iToasterHD

Build 1: Sword
[Standing Slash][Sun and Moon Slash][Dragon Slash][Whirlwind Attack][Flail][Enraging Charge][For Great Justice!][Lion's Comfort]

[build prof=W/any sword=12+1+1 stre=12+2][sever artery][gash][quivering blade][savage slash][optional][flail][enraging charge][Sunspear Rebirth Signet][/build]
- [[Rush].
- [[Whirlwind Attack].
- [[Distracting Blow].
- [["For Great Justice!" (PvE)]
- [[Sun and Moon Slash].
- [[Lion's Comfort].
- [[Shield Bash].

[[Quivering Blade] over [[Dragon Slash] for more spam damage because you don't have [["Save Yourselves!"] so it makes it kind of pointless.

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Originally Posted by iToasterHD

Build 2: Axe
[Eviscerate][Axe Twist][Body Blow][Whirlwind Attack][Flail][Enraging Charge][For Great Justice!][Lion's Comfort]

[build prof=w/any axe=12+1+1 stre=12+1][warrior's endurance][flail][dismember][power attack][cyclone axe][Whirlwind Attack][Optional][Sunspear Rebirth Signet][/build]
- [[[email protected]]
- [[Burst of [email protected]]
- [[[email protected]]
- [[Conjure [email protected]]
- [[Lion's [email protected]]

or

[build prof=W/any axemas=12+1+1 streng=12+2][Triple Chop][Whirlwind Attack][Cyclone Axe][Dismember][Optional][Flail][Enraging Charge][Sunspear Rebirth Signet][/build]
- [[Lion's [email protected]]
- [[Body [email protected]]

[[Eviscerate] isn't as good in PvE as it is in PvP because you don't need as much spike damage. Something with more spamming or AoE would be better. [[Cleave] is not mentioned because [[Warrior's Endurance] out classes it by allowing you to spam [[Power Attack].

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Originally Posted by iToasterHD

Build 3: Hammer
[Earth Shaker][Pulverizing Smash][Fierce Blow][Whirlwind Attack][Flail][Enraging Charge][For Great Justice!][Lion's Comfort]

[build prof=w/any hammer=12+1+1 strength=12+2][earth shaker][pulverizing smash][whirlwind attack][crude swing][flail][enraging charge][optional][sunspear rebirth signet][/build]
- [["For Great Justice!" (PvE)] for a heavy adrenal boost.
- [[Crushing Blow] instead of Pulverizing Smash.
- [[Yeti Smash] instead of Pulverizing Smash for extra AoE damage.
- [[Lion's Comfort] can provide a self heal.
- [[Mending Touch] To remove conditions from yourself.
- [[Rush] as a cancel for Flail.
- [[Belly Smash] to inflict blindness on foe and all adjacent foes for 10 seconds
- [[Grasping Earth] for a manly aoe snare.

Nothing wrong with [[Earth shaker] in PvE. Rewrote the build to be more meta.

Picuso · Mar 31, 2009, 06:52 PM // 18:52

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Originally Posted by iToasterHD

EDIT: Haha, saw that right as I submitted. What about Weakness? Not worth it? And still suggest 14/13 split? Rather then 14/14?

You can use Aoe Weakness Necromancer Skill in one of your heroes (sry, forgot it's name) and you can use your skills to increase your DPS :P

EDIT: And 14/13 instead of 14/14 because 35 more health is better than +1 adrenaline with Enraging (you are using FGJ! anyway) and 1% extra AP

iToasterHD · Mar 31, 2009, 06:54 PM // 18:54

ac1inferno, you basically suggest just going to PvX.

kupp · Mar 31, 2009, 07:22 PM // 19:22

If you have a free secondary, you can take [enduring harmony] for 10 extra seconds of FGJ on the hammer build.

Winterclaw · Mar 31, 2009, 07:23 PM // 19:23

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Originally Posted by iToasterHD

Okay, how about why [Cleave] + [Dismember] over [Eviscerate]?

Cleave is spamy damy. Evi is good in PvP where you need to compact your bar but by separating the two in pve you can get more damage out faster and when and where you need it.

iToasterHD · Mar 31, 2009, 08:08 PM // 20:08

Yeah I am trying out these suggestions and I am getting roughly the same DPS for each build. I am not yet convinced, am I missing something?

EDIT: Oh and the sever artery/gash/quivering over dragon slash is just wrong.

cataphract · Apr 01, 2009, 09:15 AM // 09:15

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Originally Posted by Picuso

You can use Aoe Weakness Necromancer Skill in one of your heroes (sry, forgot it's name) and you can use your skills to increase your DPS :P

[Enfeebling Blood]

Add [Weaken Armor] to that and it's gg.

iToasterHD · Apr 01, 2009, 03:02 PM // 15:02

I am still not understanding why Dragon Slash build is inferior to Quivering Blade. Both can be spammed However, Dragon slash does massive dmg, while quivering blade merely does bleeding, deep wound and a little dmg.

Bobby2 · Apr 01, 2009, 04:30 PM // 16:30

ac1 seems to forget that DSlash powers not only SY!, but also more DSlash.
Quivering cannot hope to compare damage-wise even with Gash added in.

Also:

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Originally Posted by kupp

If you have a free secondary, you can take [enduring harmony] for 10 extra seconds of FGJ on the hammer build.

[enduring harmony] > [lion's comfort] in all of your builds.

zling · Apr 01, 2009, 05:02 PM // 17:02

all of your builds are focused towards single target damage, even your [earth shaker] build lacks some more AoE.

now, since AoE>PvE and Warriors do have plenty of AoE options for all 3 weapons I dont understand why you arent utilizing them. oh and I'm not telling you to go to wiki even though it has the build basics, as you can tweak them on your own. however I am saying that you need to focus on AoE damage instead of single target damage, and if you can fit a Deep Wound on your build than you really should, especially for hard mode, as Deep Wound by itself does around 100 damage, more to those uber PvE bosses with a crapload of health!