Curse

Helix Dreadlock · Jul 25, 2009, 12:29 AM // 00:29

Hello. I recently wanted to start doing Axe, so I got a 15^50 vampiric axe of fortitude.

My build:
Attbs:
Str 14
Axe 14

Triple Chop
Whirlwind Attack
Cyclone Axe
Dismember
Axe Twist
Lions Comfort
Flail
Enraging Charge

I have all campaigns and all profs available, so that isn't a problem. I was thinking W/R for antidote signet, W/A for self-heals/shadowsteps, W/D for a melee attack, W/Mo for obvious reasons (no mending lololol), and W/N for Plague Touch.

Comments/ideas are not limited to the above. I know I have a few attack skills, more than average. I want to be able to survive and dish out great DPS. Any ideas?

No, I've already done hammer, and sword is gross. I just want to have advice on my Axe build please.

IronSheik · Jul 25, 2009, 12:48 AM // 00:48

Warriors do damage, not heal themselves. W/Rt for Hard res or W/D for scythe are the only viables. PvE, of course.

Drop comfort for hard res, axe twist can be subbed for executioners/body blow

Go 15 axe, 13 Strength if you must have a major rune.

Helix Dreadlock · Jul 25, 2009, 12:51 AM // 00:51

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Originally Posted by IronSheik

Warriors do damage, not heal themselves. W/Rt for Hard res or W/D for scythe are the only viables. PvE, of course.

Drop comfort for hard res, axe twist can be subbed for executioners/body blow

Go 15 axe, 13 Strength if you must have a major rune.

Warriors also tank wich gives them more dps output if you stay alive longer.

I had the major rune because it was there.

IronSheik · Jul 25, 2009, 12:53 AM // 00:53

If a warrior is "Tanking" He has crap DPS, if they are "Frontlining" his monks are putting PS and SoA on him making him an instant tank while having suberb DPS.

Helix Dreadlock · Jul 25, 2009, 12:59 AM // 00:59

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Originally Posted by IronSheik

If a warrior is "Tanking" He has crap DPS, if they are "Frontlining" his monks are putting PS and SoA on him making him an instant tank while having suberb DPS.

Tanks can use both great DPS and stay alive well. You really only need 3-4 attack skills, the rest to stay alive.

Even front lining uses that tactic.

IronSheik · Jul 25, 2009, 01:03 AM // 01:03

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Originally Posted by Helix Dreadlock

Tanks can use both great DPS and stay alive well. You really only need 3-4 attack skills, the rest to stay alive.

Even front lining uses that tactic.

Show me a "good" frontline bar that has half their bar dedicated to self preservation, please, any bar.

You may need 3-4 attack skills, you also need a IMS, IAS, optional hard res, Optional Pves.

Helix Dreadlock · Jul 25, 2009, 01:06 AM // 01:06

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Originally Posted by IronSheik

Show me a "good" frontline bar that has half their bar dedicated to self preservation, please, any bar.

Good is your opinion only.

Here is mine:

Devastating Hammer
Flail
Lions Comfort
Shadow Refuge
Death's Charge
Fierce Blow
Mighty Blow
Dark Escape

The frontliners shouldnt have to waste their time rezing their allies if they die, in RA it may be acceptable, but in PvE there's no need, because it gives less DPS if they waste time casting a spell. Besides, if it's not a Hard Rez it really shouldnt be THAT great.

Some times it may be needed though

IronSheik · Jul 25, 2009, 01:09 AM // 01:09

So you have a PvE bar with a single KD, no secondary KD for a knocklock, 3 self heals counting the SS, and you have to get 7 hits to start the chain, 4 to start your IAS, which half the time most PvE enemies are probably dead. Oh, and your IMS with a 30 recharge that needs a huge investment to last a good amount of time, and I'm assuming its to mitigate damage, which a PS does easily.

A large majority of players here will agree on what a "Good" frontliner bar is.

Helix Dreadlock · Jul 25, 2009, 01:19 AM // 01:19

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Originally Posted by IronSheik

So you have a PvE bar with a single KD, no secondary KD for a knocklock, 3 self heals counting the SS, and you have to get 7 hits to start the chain, 4 to start your IAS, which half the time most PvE enemies are probably dead. Oh, and your IMS with a 30 recharge that needs a huge investment to last a good amount of time, and I'm assuming its to mitigate damage, which a PS does easily.

A large majority of players here will agree on what a "Good" frontliner bar is.

Doesn't mean that it does poorly.

Use it before you call it terrible.

Dawn Angelheart · Jul 25, 2009, 01:43 AM // 01:43

Defy Pain + frenzy. gg.

**Marty Silverblade** · Jul 25, 2009, 01:50 AM // 01:50

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Originally Posted by Helix Dreadlock

Tanks can use both great DPS and stay alive well. You really only need 3-4 attack skills, the rest to stay alive.

Even front lining uses that tactic.

If you're doing your job properly, you will be doing a ton of damage.

If the monk is doing his job, you won't be dying.

The second half of your bar should be for helping produce more damage with the attacks you've got in the first half.

Quote:

Good is your opinion only.

No it's not. Good frontliner bars like the one I just described will get the job done much faster than one half full of self-preservation crap.

YunSooJin · Jul 25, 2009, 01:57 AM // 01:57

What's amusing about this thread is the essence of the content expressed by the OP so far has appeared by different players, one after another, year after year. Self preservation on a warrior is stupid. Please learn to play the game. You are already a tank by virtue of your base 80 armor. Any of the stupid self heals out there can be more effectively done by another class. They don't need your help. The only skills I can think of where you could use them viably as a 'self preservation' and an engine to further your damage would be defy pain (since you can pair frenzy with it and not care) and lion's comfort (expend your adrenaline bar, use lion's to get most of it back, etc).

EDIT: in response to your original post, I would remove axe twisting and add bodyblow. I would also get an elemental axe to swap when you're hitting warriors.

I did not realize you had Triple Chop and Cyclone axe. If you want AoE damage go sword ._. Otherwise with axe just get frenzy and defy pain. And don't bring executioner's it sucks compared to bodyblow.

Icy The Mage · Jul 25, 2009, 02:02 AM // 02:02

It's terrible, you don't have to use it to realize that.

Throw prot spirit on your Dunkoro along with SoA and maybe some other prots, load up an Earthshaker bar with the whole bar dedicated to keeping everything KDed 100% of the time (and instantly) and you will see a much better improvement.

Lux Aeterna · Jul 25, 2009, 02:02 AM // 02:02

I rox pretty hard with sword.

YunSooJin · Jul 25, 2009, 02:04 AM // 02:04

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Originally Posted by Lux Aeterna

I rox pretty hard with sword.

HB/MoP/WA anyone? Watch the screen fill up with numbarz.

IronSheik · Jul 25, 2009, 02:04 AM // 02:04

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Originally Posted by Helix Dreadlock

Doesn't mean that it does poorly.

Use it before you call it terrible.

I don't have to use it to call it terrible, it's a single KD with no extra Knocklock in Pve. IMO the only worthwhile hammer elite in PvE is earth shaker, great AoE KD that also has the capability to do tons of damage.

As marty said who I know is a good warrior, it is a monks job to keep you alive, even a heroes, if you're dying with heroes, they need a better bar.

Frontlines DPS and monks do their job keeping people alive, or tanks can have crappy DPS and keep themselves alive, learn the difference, you want to know how to DPS and keep yourself alive; answer is your monks.

Lux Aeterna · Jul 25, 2009, 02:05 AM // 02:05

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Originally Posted by Helix Dreadlock

Devastating Hammer
Flail
Lions Comfort
Shadow Refuge
Death's Charge
Fierce Blow
Mighty Blow
Dark Escape

This build is unacceptably bad for both pve and pvp.

OP's axe build is fine, but won't keep a horde of SF eles from wiping your party.

Lion's comfort is pretty useless, I tried it once and was disappointed.

Shrimz · Jul 25, 2009, 03:34 AM // 03:34

Take out Lions Comfort for Res, and it's good to go. Although WE axe is better imo.

laksa and curry · Jul 25, 2009, 04:52 AM // 04:52

You do not need lion's comfort, use a rez. Use zealous instead of vamp as I predict some E management problems.

Its a pretty good build BTW.

SmokingHotImolation · Jul 25, 2009, 12:32 PM // 12:32

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Originally Posted by Helix Dreadlock

Warriors also tank wich gives them more dps output if you stay alive longer.

I had the major rune because it was there.

If you want to tank, i'd say bring Endure Pain instead of Lions. Monks should be able to keep you up just fine, and if youre tanking (by that i mean having lots of aggro on you), Lions Comfort will not help you at all.