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laksa and curry · Aug 07, 2009, 02:25 AM // 02:25

After reading the updates, I feel the sudden impulse to include a pet in my next GW session. Unfortunately, I am in the office and cant do that at the moment. Anyone here jhas successful trials or just want to rant about how inefficient pets are despite this recent buff.

sosycpsycho · Aug 07, 2009, 03:19 AM // 03:19

I have tried out a couple of Beast Master builds and even though I see a power difference its not huge. The update has however made Beast Master a viable build to run in a group.

Running a pet on a normal Ranger bar may prove effective but as before if you do not have some skills to utilize the pet or a high enough stat in the Beastmastery line they could be a waste.

They made them tons better it worth trying out and seeing if you like it yourself if nothing else.

Ugh · Aug 07, 2009, 03:19 AM // 03:19

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or just want to rant about how inefficient pets are despite this recent buff.

As much as I love to QQ about ranger skills, I have pointed out the flaws of pets in pretty much every thread remotely related to Beast Mastery or rangers skills in general. So, I'll keep it short.

1. Pet AI
Pets still stand around for 2 seconds when they reach a foe and don't automatically switch targets when you do. Makes for a frustrating experience.
2. PvP
Still no skill compression which could be solved by making Charm Animal into a weak pet rez. Comfort would still be needed for heals and a mid-battle res. Also, I think the buffs to Melandru's Assault and Call of Haste would've have been fine in PvP as well as PvE, but that's not a big deal.

Edit:
Despite the AI, I'm pretty happy with the PvE buffs. Maybe I can finally use something other than Splinter Barrage or BHA. Unconditional DW through Enraged Lunge is nice. Melandru's assault is a nice AoE option. CoH is meh. Needless to say, Comfort Animal and 33/33% is awesome.

Dakka Dakka · Aug 07, 2009, 03:29 AM // 03:29

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Originally Posted by Ugh

As much as I love to QQ about ranger skills, I have pointed out the flaws of pets in pretty much every thread remotely related to Beast Mastery or rangers skills in general. So, I'll keep it short.

1. Pet AI
Pets still stand around for 2 seconds when they reach a foe and don't automatically switch targets when you do. Makes for a frustrating experience.
2. PvP
Still no skill compression which could be solved by making Charm Animal into a weak pet rez. Comfort would still be needed for heals and a mid-battle res. Also, I think the buffs to Melandru's Assault and Call of Haste would've have been fine in PvP as well as PvE, but that's not a big deal.

I agree with every point except that last one. There is a teeeensy bit of skill compression as Comfort Animal is the new Charm animal.

Ugh · Aug 07, 2009, 03:31 AM // 03:31

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Originally Posted by Dakka Dakka

I agree with every point except that last one. There is a teeeensy bit of skill compression as Comfort Animal is the new Charm animal.

I was talking about the lack of compression in PvP. The buff to Comfort Animal is PvE only and I was hoping it would be for both.

_Nihilist_ · Aug 07, 2009, 03:36 AM // 03:36

laksa did you mean to put this in the Warrior subforum?

I don't see a reason to carry a Pet on my Warrior. Just one more thing to detract my mind from the one track it runs on... kill... Kill... KILL... KILL!

laksa and curry · Aug 07, 2009, 03:59 AM // 03:59

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Originally Posted by Tyrael_Eveningsong

laksa did you mean to put this in the Warrior subforum?

I don't see a reason to carry a Pet on my Warrior. Just one more thing to detract my mind from the one track it runs on... kill... Kill... KILL... KILL!

Tyrael I hope I did not caused any confusion, this thread is in the right sub forum, I was just too carried away when I realised I could bring comfort animal and have a few rounds of tag team fun with my spider ahahah.

All this being just paper talk as I am in the office atm. So it would be nice if somebody could test run a few warrior/pet side kick build and see if its a viable option or just another fruitless fantasy. Cheers and TY all for posting

remicks · Aug 07, 2009, 06:35 AM // 06:35

The biggest downfall I can see is the Warrior's energy pool and regen, seeing as how the biggest buffs are to skills related to pets that cost 5-25 energy to use it just doesnt seem very efficent to me unless you are just using it for some low level fun

subarucar · Aug 07, 2009, 06:35 AM // 06:35

With a dire pet you are looking ~30 damage per pet attack with 12 in BM. With pet attack skills you can get your pet hitting for 70-100 (depending on the skill ofc). To be viable its more of a ranger only option, for novelty, go for it, the game isnt that hard, do what you want.
I have ran a pet on my warrior for Never Rampage Alone, which gives me an IAS while using battle rage, it was annoying that that combo needed 4 skill slots at the time, but now with only needing 3m it might be a little better.

gameshoes3003 · Aug 07, 2009, 07:17 AM // 07:17

o0o0oo0
I didn't know about all the changes to Beast Mastery lately, I think I might use it again!
Using Heal as One with Charm Animal was annoying.

Hugh Manatee · Aug 07, 2009, 07:29 AM // 07:29

I tried it in the derajin estate on a squishing run, it wasn't spectacular,though my pet was level 13 to start with. I also brought two thumper heroes with level 5 pets and a MM/curse/motivation hybrid. All the physical stuff did tear up heket andthe kournans pretty good, and even the level 5 pets weren't constantly dead(though they did die a lot, it wasn't as much as I expected).

I don't like NRA on a warrior, 15e for an ias sucks... the only way I can figure on supporting it is with a WE or cripslash>knee cutter type thing. Maybe with Auspicious Blow and a necro with withering aura or enfeeble as backup. But even with WE the point is to spam power attack and even with +3e every hit it gets tight.

Mouros Sceron · Aug 07, 2009, 08:27 AM // 08:27

I'm Considering a Warrior/pet (hopefully bear if u must know) build as a perma pre.

i have fire imp also.

Anyone have any reason why it would be a waste of time? Is it a good build for a perma? anyone tried it?

Ty

Lishy · Aug 07, 2009, 07:16 PM // 19:16

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Originally Posted by remicks

The biggest downfall I can see is the Warrior's energy pool and regen, seeing as how the biggest buffs are to skills related to pets that cost 5-25 energy to use it just doesnt seem very efficent to me unless you are just using it for some low level fun

Zealous weapons go faaaaaaaaaar in warrior energy management.
With that bid killed with your one stone, you only gotta play smart.

Bestial Mauling would be great in dragon slash builds with headbutt, but the recharge is really bothersome.

Necromas · Aug 07, 2009, 11:57 PM // 23:57

Bar compression certainly makes pets more viable for warriors now, but the lack of expertise and only 2 pips of energy hurts.

Scavenger strike would be enough to fuel one or two other beast mastery skills, or maybe you could use warriors endurance. There's also the spirits and viper's nest which won't take any extra energy, or just take comfort animal alone for a resurrectable meatshield.

_Nihilist_ · Aug 08, 2009, 01:36 AM // 01:36

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Originally Posted by Mouros Sceron

I'm Considering a Warrior/pet (hopefully bear if u must know) build as a perma pre.

i have fire imp also.

Anyone have any reason why it would be a waste of time? Is it a good build for a perma? anyone tried it?

Ty

Black Bears have an attack skill called "Brutal Mauling". The skill itself does nothing, but it does have an activation time. This means that Bears have lower DPS than other pets (unless ANet has removed this). For a Perma-Pre, go with a Wolf or a Strider, imho.

Neo Nugget · Aug 08, 2009, 01:45 AM // 01:45

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Originally Posted by Mouros Sceron

I'm Considering a Warrior/pet (hopefully bear if u must know) build as a perma pre.

i have fire imp also.

Anyone have any reason why it would be a waste of time? Is it a good build for a perma? anyone tried it?

Ty

I agree with Tyrael saying that you should go for another pet in presearing if you are looking to dish out the most damage as you can. I've had lots of successful runs with my imp and pet (stalker) before yesterdays update, and am looking forward to trying out the buff that they got in the Northlands.

So no, I don't think a pet is a waste of time.

_Nihilist_ · Aug 08, 2009, 03:22 AM // 03:22

I Death-leveled a Dire Wolf (lvl2 Wolf > lvl11 Aggressive Wolf > lvl15 Dire Wolf) once I got up to lvl 10 on my (now-deleted) Perma-Pre Warrior. Cerberus was a beast, even with 0 points in Beast Mastery (since I hadn't accepted Ranger as my secondary yet, w00t w00t!).

Mouros Sceron · Aug 09, 2009, 12:53 PM // 12:53

Kk great ty. I'll go for another pet.

upier · Aug 12, 2009, 07:38 PM // 19:38

I need a bit of help here.
A friend of mine is starting to like his warrior, but he insists on bringing a pet. He's also fond of swords. As long as we do manage to complete the content we set out to do - I am perfectly fine with his decisions to play in a way that he considers fun.
After a bit of modifying his build this is what he is currently running:
BM 8
Strength 11 +1
Sword 11 + 1

Never Rampage Alone
Warrior's Endurance
Power Attack
Whirlwind Attack
Sever
Gash
Bull's
Comfort Animal

We are running this with a Disco, Splinter, SoH combo.
(The guy completed C3, GWEN and is currently in the desert. Factions will be done after we ascend or complete C1.)

Now:
1. He obviously needs another rune - what kind of an attribute allocation do you suggest?
2. Bull's with no IMS? Replace? What with?
3. He doesn't have access to DS yet. Should he move onto DS once he gets it IF he continues using a pet?
4. SY!?
5. Completely scratch this idea and go with something new for a Sword/Pet?

Thanks!

zwei2stein · Aug 12, 2009, 07:46 PM // 19:46

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Originally Posted by upier

I need a bit of help here.
A friend of mine is starting to like his warrior, but he insists on bringing a pet. He's also fond of swords. As long as we do manage to complete the content we set out to do - I am perfectly fine with his decisions to play in a way that he considers fun.
After a bit of modifying his build this is what he is currently running:
BM 8
Strength 11 +1
Sword 11 + 1

Never Rampage Alone
Warrior's Endurance
Power Attack
Whirlwind Attack
Sever
Gash
Bull's
Comfort Animal

We are running this with a Disco, Splinter, SoH combo.
(The guy completed C3, GWEN and is currently in the desert. Factions will be done after we ascend or complete C1.)

Now:
1. He obviously needs another rune - what kind of an attribute allocation do you suggest?
2. Bull's with no IMS? Replace? What with?
3. He doesn't have access to DS yet. Should he move onto DS once he gets it IF he continues using a pet?
4. SY!?
5. Completely scratch this idea and go with something new for a Sword/Pet?

Thanks!

1) He obviously wants +1+1 to sword and +1 str, you are smart enough to know how rest should go.
2) Also, bulls in PvE. Replace with pet attack. There are sweeter pet attacks now (melandru provides pretty numbers).
3) Yes
4) Yes
5) No, DS/SY spammer with pet can work just fine.