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Introverted Dimensions · Jan 02, 2010, 07:32 AM // 07:32

I have a new found interest in playing my warrior again and I've come to the realization that I'm completely clueless when it comes to putting together builds for the class. I'm aware that running dragon slash is pretty common amongst most of the warriors today but I'd like to have some variety because I've just been using that.

So I'd like to have something "spammy" with a decent dps output. I also love IAS+IMS so that's a must.

What I have so far is:

Cleave
Furious Axe
Power Attack
-
-
I Am The Strongest!
Flail
For Great Justice!

And possibly
Enraging Charge

Suggestions/Comments on it? I'm not sure if using Cleave is really a good idea. I just figured it would match well due to it's low adren req and decent damage output

jesh · Jan 02, 2010, 07:54 AM // 07:54

Cyclone Axe and Power Attack are both nice skills that you can spam with an axe, right? But they both cost energy..
Hmm, isn't there an elite that helps with that?

Add Asuran Scan to that and whatnot.

Evil Eye · Jan 02, 2010, 08:12 AM // 08:12

1frenzy 2asura scan 3dismember 4power attack 5warrior's endurance 6rush 7/8 whatever

Winterclaw · Jan 02, 2010, 08:19 AM // 08:19

FGJ lets you use cleave on every other hit while it's up. Your build is pretty energy heavy so you might need to add more adrenal attacks or go Warrior's Endurance. Enraging charge isn't worth it for one cheap ade attack. If you aren't bringing an OoP hero then bring a conjure for more damage.

Abedeus · Jan 02, 2010, 08:26 AM // 08:26

Why Power Attack? It's baed. Unless you use Warrior's Endurance, but then you should use a scythe.

Introverted Dimensions · Jan 02, 2010, 08:28 AM // 08:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winterclaw

FGJ lets you use cleave on every other hit while it's up. Your build is pretty energy heavy so you might need to add more adrenal attacks or go Warrior's Endurance. Enraging charge isn't worth it for one cheap ade attack. If you aren't bringing an OoP hero then bring a conjure for more damage.

Forgot about FGJ!, That should definitely be on there. I really like the IMS + ability to cancel out flail so I've been using enraging charge. I honestly would rather have an elite axe attack over WE.

Wuhy · Jan 02, 2010, 09:22 AM // 09:22

my opinion?

Cleave/you could take Magehunter's Strike for smexyness with a zealous weapon
Dismember
Agonizing Chop
Flail
Distracting Shot
Enraging Charge
FGJ! OR Antidote Signet
Resurrection Signet

I'd suggest this merely because it has more balls(dshot, res sig, magehunters

) than 99%(maybe 100) of the pve builds(the buff+buff+buff+damage builds eotn and updates after it introduced are well... 1. not fun 2. mindless)

jesh · Jan 02, 2010, 10:52 AM // 10:52

Let's say you run 14 axe. Cleave will do +29 damage and totally ---- up your ability to run Save Yourselves! or anything else that matters, like Dismember.
Power Attack, on the other hand, gives +28 damage at only 9 strength and DOESN'T take up your elite slot. If you do run Warrior's Endurance, you have adrenaline for deep wound, PVE skills, SY!, etc. You also get to spam Cyclone Axe for - yes, you guessed it - more adrenaline.

There's a reason no one uses Cleave.

Wuhy · Jan 02, 2010, 11:28 AM // 11:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by jesh

Let's say you run 14 axe. Cleave will do +29 damage and totally ---- up your ability to run Save Yourselves! or anything else that matters, like Dismember.
Power Attack, on the other hand, gives +28 damage at only 9 strength and DOESN'T take up your elite slot. If you do run Warrior's Endurance, you have adrenaline for deep wound, PVE skills, SY!, etc. You also get to spam Cyclone Axe for - yes, you guessed it - more adrenaline.

There's a reason no one uses Cleave.

now this is the "most effective pve f**ker" version. yes it is more effective. it is also more crappy.

Bobby2 · Jan 02, 2010, 05:12 PM // 17:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by trx despair

I have a new found interest in playing my warrior again and I've come to the realization that I'm completely clueless when it comes to putting together builds for the class. I'm aware that running dragon slash is pretty common amongst most of the warriors today but I'd like to have some variety because I've just been using that.

First thing to note is that oth Cleave and DSlash were designed with sustained DPS in mind, and of the two DSlash does the job loads better. Imho you're better off taking something else.

Quote:

What I have so far is:

Cleave subpar
Furious Axe bad
Power Attack don't do this without Warrior's Endurance
-
-
I Am The Strongest! Simply not worth it without Air of Superiority (and even then it's iffy)
Flail or Frenzy, since that doesn't slow you down or keep you from spamming right away
For Great Justice! Yes!

And possibly
Enraging Charge Both sinks are 4 adren. Not worth it

Suggestions/Comments on it? I'm not sure if using Cleave is really a good idea. I just figured it would match well due to it's low adren req and decent damage output

tl;dr: It doesn't match well with DSlash

Olle · Jan 02, 2010, 05:45 PM // 17:45

Warrior's Endurance.Asuran Scan.Power Attack.Sneak Attack.Executioner's Strike. Dismember.Disrupting Chop.Optional.
Run either an Vampiric or Zealous axe , Cusomize it, and see u dropping 150+ on HM

Winterclaw · Jan 02, 2010, 06:35 PM // 18:35

Bobby,
1 this is PvE.
2 people get bored running the same build all the time and I don't blame them for switching things up.
3 Cleave is about right, it's that other things were either buffed in power over time or found a good group of skills to work with.

While Marty did a good job of assembling a good collection of builds, I also think we might need to start collecting a group of second-tier builds for people who can't run the main ones, are bored with the better ones, or want a little more challenge.

ac1inferno · Jan 02, 2010, 06:44 PM // 18:44

[[Cleave] used to be good for its spamming but with power creep, it can't compare to other skills now. Its better you spam [[Power Attack] on recharge and have [[Warrior's Endurance (PvE)] to support the energy. But then if you're using WE, you might as well go scythe because its better but then its not an axe build anymore.

Bobby2 · Jan 02, 2010, 07:02 PM // 19:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winterclaw

/snip

If you want real challenge, go in naked. I'm all for trying to make Cleave work but you'll need to have good synergies going to make it worthwhile. Apart from that, there really isn't too much depth to work with. Most attempts I've seen basically come down to this:

Cleave/Drunken Master/FGJ!/optional x5

At which point I would argue that WE Axe is more enjoyable to run - you get to press more buttons!

Lux Aeterna · Jan 02, 2010, 07:25 PM // 19:25

Eviscerate
Executioner's strike
Brawling headbutt
Save yourselves
For Great Justice
Flail
Enraging charge

ac1inferno · Jan 02, 2010, 08:08 PM // 20:08

[[Eviscerate] really isn't that good for PvE since its not spammy or AoE.

Iscaroth · Jan 02, 2010, 09:56 PM // 21:56

I've found this axe build to be entertaining to run:

[Battle Rage]
[Dismember]
Optional (either [Axe Twist][Disrupting Chop][Lion's Comfort])
[Executioner's Strike]
[Brawling Headbutt] Optional ([Ear Bite] or one of the above)
[Save Yourselves!]
[Enraging Charge]

It's not very often that you run into Soothing Memories, and the other mesmer skills are easy to counter, simply change targets. Rangers can be a PITA with their blocking, but again, swap targets and let your backline nuke the heck out of that ranger.

The only skill that would be a huge benefit would be Asuran Scan, but since this build relies on your adrenaline to keep consistent DPS, I've chosen to leave it out. If you take it though, I'd recommend replacing Ear Bite with it, since bleeding is meh.

DeusExMachina · Jan 13, 2010, 01:27 PM // 13:27

If you're using power attack + cyclone axe, be sure to use a zealous axe. Run into a mob, power attack, cyclone axe, you got half your energy back. However, thats depending on the mob. IAS + zealous is awesome.

Chthon · Jan 13, 2010, 06:49 PM // 18:49

Perhaps you should start by reading these posts about why axe sucks for PvE:
post 1
post 2

If, after that, you're still dead set on making an axe build, aim for all of the following:

Reasonable SY! uptime.
A bit of KD with BH.
Lots of packet spam. Probably Cyclone + WW + WE

Good luck.

Introverted Dimensions · Jan 13, 2010, 08:21 PM // 20:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chthon

Perhaps you should start by reading these posts about why axe sucks for PvE:
post 1
post 2

If, after that, you're still dead set on making an axe build, aim for all of the following:

Reasonable SY! uptime.
A bit of KD with BH.
Lots of packet spam. Probably Cyclone + WW + WE

Good luck.

or i could just run something that i find enjoyable instead of going with your guidelines.