Curse

Devils Sunder · Jul 13, 2011, 02:58 AM // 02:58

Does anyone else that plays a warrior have a difficult time finding groups? Like for DoA or Slavers? It seems like every time I go to search for a party I am like an outcast. Ive actually stood looking for groups and getting rejections from many parties, because of the fact that I play as a warrior on my main profile.

I remember when I first started playing I choose a warrior and everyone wanted you in a party. Tanking mostly but now nobody wants a warrior for tanking...

I have done so much as this class, but seem to find myself coming to a dead end in the elite areas. It's beginning to frustrate me.

Does anyone else think that warriors are a dying bread?

Lanier · Jul 13, 2011, 03:48 AM // 03:48

There is far more to the game than elite areas, and any pug that is forming for elite areas is just forming for a speed clear or a farm anyway, in which specific, meta, pvx builds are going to be the only ones taken. Warriors not being part of these speed clear teams simply means that they don't have gimmicky skills like shadow form.

Warriors are still a good option in PvE, and the fact that you can't find pug groups is in no way a reflection of the state of a profession. Join a guild, make some friends, and go have some fun in elite areas with whichever profession you want. Thats my advice.

Siver · Jul 13, 2011, 04:08 AM // 04:08

Yes I do...
But a-nets answer to that is always nerfing other professions..When we all know deep down Shadow Form needs the nerf. But they wont touch it cause it MIGHT ruin the game economy. A point I disagree with. Balenceway teams would find more play.. God mode would die (as it should), then and only then would warriors be let back into groups.
Don't hold your breath

I am Judge · Jul 13, 2011, 04:16 AM // 04:16

Find another guild, make friends with them. If your still a member of the guild that you have as a tag on the forums, it's obvious that the large numbers aren't around to play the game with you.

It's all about fun. There are many guilds out there that don't run meta/pvxwhack stuff. Just have to take some time and invest in looking for those guilds.

Mechanko1 · Jul 13, 2011, 04:20 AM // 04:20

Warriors are still awesome! Its just that the game focuses more an meta builds now. The pug at least. You should be able to still find guilds that do the elite areas the old way. just gotta find the right guild [;

Siver · Jul 13, 2011, 04:21 AM // 04:21

OP is in KISS.. doesn't get more starter than that

Devils Sunder · Jul 13, 2011, 04:42 AM // 04:42

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Originally Posted by Siver

OP is in KISS.. doesn't get more starter than that

KISS does have alot of new people, but also has alot of older (playing time) people. So it does balance out. Unfortunately the times I am on not many people are, so I have to pick up pugs lol...

Siver · Jul 13, 2011, 04:46 AM // 04:46

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Originally Posted by Devils Sunder

KISS does have alot of new people, but also has alot of older (playing time) people. So it does balance out. Unfortunately the times I am on not many people are, so I have to pick up pugs lol...

I think U just proved my point...

Hands down a smaller guild (or alliance) is a closer community, more apt to help each other, do TRAINING runs (I cannot stress how important this is) to help out, and most importantly come up with team builds that pugs can't/won't run.

Venganza · Jul 13, 2011, 06:25 AM // 06:25

If I had a dollar for every KISS person who needed my help I would be rich.

With respect to DOA etc, no one will ever want a Warr for HM (frost) get used to it.

Spiritz · Jul 13, 2011, 06:25 AM // 06:25

Generic things to help ( some yu may have done already but its gd for new players to see )
1. Find a guild that will offer advice and some help ( that doesnt mean they spoonfeed you )
2. Make new friends - it doesnt matter if you know 10 ppm who are in 10 diff guilds .
3. this can be one of the most important bits of advice going - if in doubt use wiki/guru.
Wiki can tell you what foes you will be facing in a zone and often offer advice on the zone.

Teams that do sc usually require set builds and usually require a set profession and they want players who know what they are doing - dont get put off.There are a lot of pugs that take anyone - fail or win you will make new friends and often learn new things.
My alliance we tend to do some things with teams that are a total mix and have no synergy but its for fun and we have fun doing it regardless of it taking a bit longer.

It doesnt matter how experienced the player is - we all learn new things daily ( look at some posts on guru and you will see that even veteran players ask questions and are not afraid to ask ( you can usually tell by how active on forum they are and their join date ).

Lishy · Jul 13, 2011, 07:26 AM // 07:26

You're probably searching for the wrong areas, with the wrong builds.

1. Nobody really pugs Slavers anymore.
2. Warriors are not used in DoA Frostway HM or Trenchway HM. And they are the worst in Glaiveway NM.

Despite that, nobody wants a warrior tank because they DON'T WORK! Sure, you have Defy Pain, but that's more of a general PvE skill to take pressure off the monks and control agro. But I doubt people even want someone as a tank who can't even hold off a mob without massive attention by monks. In other words, a warrior tank.

If you want to participate in Warrior speedclear runs however, look up Bogroots speedclear, which uses 100b warrior.

Warrior is probably one of THE best professions in the game, on par with the necro in terms of usefulness for General PvE! In fact, many team builds even center specifically around powering up the warrior!

Unfortunately, just as it is one of the best, there is a sad influx of warriors who really don't know how to play the game. Most of these warriors go W/Mo, and refuse to research the team builds people run before asking to join a group then complaining when rejected... These are the kinds of Warriors players do NOT want! In fact, players generally do NOT want people who do not research on team builds at all!

In short, either learn what players want, or prove them wrong. In this case, you need to clear DoA HM with your warrior as the tank, and prove it more faster and effective than the assassin.

akelarumi · Jul 13, 2011, 07:47 AM // 07:47

There are a few things that are "wrong" bout warriors. The first is that when it comes to tanking, a sin can be a better tank then a warrior. The second thing is that I've learned to distrust warriors. Not in general, but in the sense that when I meet a player who is a warrior I'm sceptic bout his play style. The main reason for this is that a lot of warriors choose the profession cause they look cool and big and musculine. Which is ok, but a lot of times also means they don't understand that size doesn't matter in this game.

So YES, sins can tank better and are therefore invited in sc-teams instead of warriors. YES a lot of warriors play like poorly and don't understand the game well enough.

To OP: I'm not saying you or a bad tank or a poorly player. I'm explaining in general how things are thought bout. If you wanna do the elite area's on your warrior join a guild that would welcome you to do it with you and isn't bout doing speedclears. If you want to do speedclears, make a second character. My main is an ele, and ele's aren't welcome in all speedclears. but I also have other characters that I can use.

Last of all: I'm not a big fan of KISS either. And I have seen pugs simply refusing to accept KISS-members.

Coast · Jul 13, 2011, 07:58 AM // 07:58

u can always play manlyway doa, still should work after by ural nerf

Sword of the Kings · Jul 13, 2011, 09:09 AM // 09:09

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Originally Posted by I am Judge

There are MANY guilds out there that don't run meta/pvxwhack stuff. Just have to take some time and invest in looking for those guilds.

Not really. I know of one guild that can effectively and quickly balanceway just about every area in the game, and does so on a regular basis. 99% of the guild wars population won't even bother trying it because it actually requires skill and precision instead of loading a bar and faceroll your keyboard to win.

Fact is: Guild Wars has been dead for years now, that's all there is to it. 99% of the remaining population that participate in high-end areas are scrubs who can only run gimmicky speedway builds. Get good and work your way into that remaining 1% or hop on the bandwagon.

And also carrying the tag [KISS], any experienced player will take one look at that and reject you because [KISS] players have a notorious reputation for being new players who have no idea what they're doing and ruining most of the runs they participate in. So if you're trying to PUG that may be one of the main reasons you're having problems.

IronSheik · Jul 13, 2011, 01:27 PM // 13:27

Reminds me of the time when ursan was meta and only warriors were wanted, couldn't play my casters at all.

But seriously, you're looking at the wrong groups.

Dot Rotten · Jul 13, 2011, 01:38 PM // 13:38

there are lots of manlyspikes you can join as 100b, and they are really fun.

FoWSC
Bogroots Manlyspike
Kath Manlyspike
DoA Manlyspike
100b is used in Deep runs on occasion, I know they are for record runs.

Lots you can do as war! Just find a guild that does lots of different SC's and you should be ok.

peter81 · Jul 13, 2011, 01:39 PM // 13:39

Warriors are useful in The Deep, but you must wait for Zaishen Bounty Kanaxai for pugs...

Siver · Jul 13, 2011, 02:05 PM // 14:05

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Originally Posted by Dot Rotten

there are lots of manlyspikes you can join as 100b, and they are really fun.

FoWSC
Bogroots Manlyspike
Kath Manlyspike
DoA Manlyspike
100b is used in Deep runs on occasion, I know they are for record runs.

Lots you can do as war! Just find a guild that does lots of different SC's and you should be ok.

And out of these FOWsc is the only one your likely to ever find a group for.

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Originally Posted by Sword of the Kings

And also carrying the tag [KISS], any experienced player will take one look at that and reject you because [KISS] players have a notorious reputation for being new players who have no idea what they're doing and ruining most of the runs they participate in. So if you're trying to PUG that may be one of the main reasons you're having problems.

Well I partially disagree with you on that, I mostly PUG with KISS (after all I don't consider things like ZM, ZB, FOW hard things to do)just something to kill time in. For me its mostly being in KISS and being warrior that puts me off. I find most KISS members to be ok. Though I wouldn't invite them on Trenchway teams.

Mireles · Jul 13, 2011, 02:46 PM // 14:46

As i said before

. Warriors have no meta role that performs better than that of other classes... BUT there still very usable and balanced in a game with highly overpowered classes...I would like to see this changed.. warrior is a core class out shined by two campaign specific classes... either tone those two down or bring classes like warrior, ranger, para, and some argue ele to that of performance of the OP metas.

Anet tends not to nurf OP things IE like shadow form because of alot people with sins base their whole game experience on things they do with shadow form, nurf that you will never see a bigger "qq i quit" thread since the mass may 2010 ban... there not going to do that before gw2.

Siver · Jul 13, 2011, 03:28 PM // 15:28

Easier just to take Shadow Form out then re-balance all those classes. Ending SF would end the META discrimination. Which in turn would allow balanced teams to take hold of the meta.
I can only hope that after GW2 comes out... they take this into consideration.