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Draginvry · Mar 13, 2008, 06:22 PM // 18:22

Have a primary Prot monk, and a Rt/P specced in Restoration and Motivation, and a BiP necro.

All of your problems are now solved.

br0thergr1m · Mar 13, 2008, 06:25 PM // 18:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miska Bow

Rits or monk?

I guess in the end it all depends on the hand holding the mouse.

^ agree...ive seen plenty of bad monks and rits....and just the opposite...god monks and god rits....

kel77 · Mar 13, 2008, 06:32 PM // 18:32

Well I find that both monks and rits are strong healers, but protecting and preventing the damage is alot cheaper and better then healing, and rits only have a few prots, weapon of warding, etc.
Therefore monks win.

isamu kurosawa · Mar 13, 2008, 06:46 PM // 18:46

If your running a team in pve that already uses spirits (i.e. a ranger on the team) then running a Rt/Mo resto/prot hybrid is an effective and fun alternative as taking spirit light can free up your elite slot from WoH for something else. Combining resto skills like spirit light, kaolai, mb&s, weapon of remedy, weapon of warding, prot spirit, spirit bond, monk hex removal is far more effective than running a pure heal monk.

The main thing you miss doing such a thing is divine favour, spawning power just isnt as useful for such as supportive setup, but as in pve you dont need absolute perfect it does more than enough.

Alex the Great · Mar 13, 2008, 06:54 PM // 18:54

monk heals better, but a rit can heal and go offensive while a monk goes heal and prot.

very different imo

Trvth Jvstice · Mar 13, 2008, 06:59 PM // 18:59

N/Rt Healer - Soul Reaping8+1+1 / Restration 12 / channeling 10

[skill]weapon of Remedy[/skill] [skill]splinter weapon[/skill] [skill]mend body and soul[/skill] [skill]spirit light[/skill] [skill]protective was kaolai[/skill] [skill]life[/skill] [skill]signet of lost souls[/skill] [skill]death pact signet[/skill]

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Cosmic Error · Mar 13, 2008, 07:07 PM // 19:07

Well I was screwing around in RA yesterday, I ended up with a team of competent assassins and rangers. I managed to keep the entire team healed with nothing but [card]Vengeful Weapon[/card] and [card]spirit light[/card], as well as kill all the swarming Balthazar dervishes with [card]Spirit Rift[/card]. We won loads of matches, but we got bored, so we quit before we got to TA.

This doesn't really prove anything, since it was RA, but...

N1ghtstalker · Mar 13, 2008, 07:11 PM // 19:11

N/Rt in PvE > monks

Terraban · Mar 13, 2008, 08:42 PM // 20:42

Rits can go Restro/Channeling.

Monks can't go Healing/Smite.

gg

Stormlord Alex · Mar 13, 2008, 08:52 PM // 20:52

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Originally Posted by Terraban

Monks can't go Healing/Smite.

Y HALLO THAR

Tyla · Mar 13, 2008, 10:08 PM // 22:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

Y HALLO THAR

Regardless, if you want damage take Splinter Weapon and Ancestor's Rage on a Ritualist.
Then go hybrid.

Prot is just too good to pass up over Smite.

But yeah, Ritualists are stronger in the Damage/Heal place.
And Monks are stronger in the Heal/Prot place.
But Monks are superior in healing anyway. One look at Word of Healing and Healer's Boon will tell you why.

blue.rellik · Mar 13, 2008, 11:38 PM // 23:38

The exception is doing Shards of Orr

Watch undead go "BOOOM!" is worth it

cellardweller · Mar 14, 2008, 12:50 AM // 00:50

If you're going straight healing or straight restoration then you've already failed at being a good monk or rit. The real question is who is the better hybrid - and I think thats obvious:
Restoration/Channelling > Heal/Smite
Heal/Prot > Restoration/Communing

Div · Mar 14, 2008, 02:49 AM // 02:49

Rits have always been better than monks at pure healing. With the WoH buff, the numbers could be different now.

But who cares? Monks have prots.

It's like trying to compare damage in 1v1 cases between a warrior and a dervish.

LifeInfusion · Mar 14, 2008, 02:50 AM // 02:50

Healer's Boon/WoH trump the entire Ritualist arsenal in terms of single target heals and Dwayna's Kiss with enchantment/hex stacks is ridiculous.

Protective was Kaolai is a better party heal than Divine Healing/Heaven's Delight and borders Light of Deliverance. Heal Party would be the best if it was cheaper.

For Ritualists, the heals on about 12 restor:

ghostmirror light (~70)
life (~120) --> not on the fly
mend body and soul (~90)
mending grip (~60)
preservation (~90 every 4 seconds)
protective was kaolai (~70 partywide)
rejuvenation (light pressure heal)
soothing memories (~80)
spirit light (~150)
spirit transfer (~200)
wielder's boon (~110)

Antithesis · Mar 14, 2008, 03:08 AM // 03:08

It's a moot argument, comparing a single Monk to a single Rit healer is kinda pointless. Defense is more than 'make red bars go up'.

In PvE, a three prong backline of a SY/TNTF Para + N/Rt Channeling Restorer + WoH Heal/Prot hybrid covers all defensive needs for prot, heal, condition and hex removal.

The added value of this setup is the Paragon and Necro offers strong offense along with an overpowered defense with an infinite energy engine. I'd take this over a 3 Monk backline in an instant.

MasterSasori · Mar 14, 2008, 03:16 AM // 03:16

The problem with this comparison is that if either rit or monk goes on pure heal alone, they aren't using their class to the best of their ability. Monks can go WoH prot hybrids and rits can go channel/heal support; both builds usually contribute more toward the team than pure healing alone.

But if you must go on PURE heal alone, I think Ritualists take the cake for this one. At spawning 15, using Songkai, you can spam spirit light, soothing, and mend b&s practically nonstop for a LONG time. If there is one thing rits have over monks in the healing department, its energy management.

In a nutshell: it doesn't matter which class has better pure healing because chances are the skill bar can be adapted to something more useful in just about any situation.

yum · Mar 14, 2008, 03:26 AM // 03:26

Idk but whoever thinks rit > monk in TA should have his brain checked.

Randvek · Mar 14, 2008, 03:35 AM // 03:35

Straight-up healing, yeah, a Rit is better. If you are going to rely solely on straight-up healing, though, you're going to get pounded.

So I guess I agree with Antithesis.

horseradish · Mar 14, 2008, 03:53 AM // 03:53

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Originally Posted by MasterSasori

The problem with this comparison is that if either rit or monk goes on pure heal alone, they aren't using their class to the best of their ability.

QFT.

You can't compare Monks with Rits. I detest using cliches but this is exactly like comparing apples and oranges. The simple fact is that if each profession is at their peak potential, they perform different roles within the group.