Curse

Chasing Squirrels · Mar 13, 2008, 03:54 PM // 15:54

Hello so someone in my alliance was saying ritualist are beter healers than monks. He said spirit light mend body and soul is better than WH. He kept bragging how he is rank 5 and all this stuff. So are ritualist really better in healing for pvp and pve thank monks?

bungusmaximus · Mar 13, 2008, 03:59 PM // 15:59

Rits HEAL betterr then monks, yes, but monks got prot, and prot > heal imho.

Kattar · Mar 13, 2008, 03:59 PM // 15:59

Mostly just different in how they heal then monks.

Depends on who you ask really. Some people suck at monking, so a Rit may be better. It's hard to say.

Cebe · Mar 13, 2008, 04:00 PM // 16:00

Arguments just brew from this topic. You get stout monks claiming they are the better healers, and stubborn rits claiming they are. People throw numbers at each other and nobody wins.

To be honest, I think due to Word of Healing, the Monk currently is a little better than a Ritualist, and a Monk's ability to go hybrid with Protection Prayers gives them a little more utility than a Ritualist I think. That's not to say Rits are rubbish...Spirit Light is a great heal, but Rits lack in-house hex removal, and their condition removal is quite ... conditional (requires a spirit, requires to be hit, etc..). Rits do, however, have much better in-house Energy Management than Monks.

A Rit's energy management allows them to spam heals all day (within reason), but Monks can do much more than *just* heal.

African War Lord · Mar 13, 2008, 04:01 PM // 16:01

when you kill the spirits, spirit light damages the rit, and mbas doesn't remove any conditions. Main thing I hear is rit's can heal a full party better then monks in PVE.

N1ghtstalker · Mar 13, 2008, 04:01 PM // 16:01

they're both good in healing
who is best is undetermined
i think that rits got more versitality to go offensive too but oh well
depends what you like i guess

Songbringer · Mar 13, 2008, 04:03 PM // 16:03

Ill throw this out then....Paragon XD

In situations they are great healers. Just like rits and monks.

The Meth · Mar 13, 2008, 04:04 PM // 16:04

Pure healing, rits and monks are pretty close. But pure healing is a bad strategy in the first place. Monks are more effective as prot/heal hybrids.Rits are more effective as heal/channeling hybrids.

Stormlord Alex · Mar 13, 2008, 04:08 PM // 16:08

Monks are better 'healers' than Rits because Prot is what stops people dying, not frantically pushing red bars up.

The only thing Rits have over monks is Protective was Kaolai.

(oh, as for pure 'healer' - Necro > all. Infinite energy roXx; and the Rit's primary is worthless shit)

Eddie Frenzy Spam · Mar 13, 2008, 04:59 PM // 16:59

Uhh no rits are definatly not better healers, well i'm taking the word healer to be a class that stops the team from dying, and well rits do have some good heals but that's reall as far as it goes. Actual healing ability is completly dominated by protting, which is a far superior way to keep a team alive and rits are absolutely useless in this area.

People need to get out of this frame of mind, that if something makes a red bar go up fast it must pwn the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO outta everything monk wise, the true fact is, anything that STOPS a red bar going DOWN fast pwns the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO outta everything else monk wise. Prot is the main way of stopping a team dying, healers are really only there to backup whatever the protter missed.

I mean just look at high level GvG play, 99% of balanced builds have a 2 monk backline, not 2 rits, rits only ever see alot of play in the runner position due to their decent but not amazing healing ability. Monks ftw imo.

Drake Keyotte · Mar 13, 2008, 05:01 PM // 17:01

Depends on what you play. You play a monk your a better healer, you play the Ritualist then your the better healer.

They both heal, almost on a identical level. Monks are better in some situations, ritualists vise versa.

majikmajikmajik · Mar 13, 2008, 05:31 PM // 17:31

Necros are good healers too lolz

The Way Out · Mar 13, 2008, 05:39 PM // 17:39

I will take a Rit over a Monk in RA

I will take a Rit over a Monk in TA

I will take a Monk over a Rit in PvE...

I will take a Monk over a Rit in GvG...

I will take a Necro over both in HA...

I will play a Monk in HB...

Also, Paragons trump the second monk or Rit healer in any group, but not the primary healer.

This is all my opinion, though, so it probably doesn't matter

senti monk of god · Mar 13, 2008, 05:39 PM // 17:39

heh necros r only good healers for them selves and minions

The Way Out · Mar 13, 2008, 05:40 PM // 17:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by senti monk of god

heh necros r only good healers for them selves and minions

/fail for lack of understanding necros

senti monk of god · Mar 13, 2008, 05:44 PM // 17:44

well when u think of it rits r good cause of spirits and healing together u r protected and can be healing at same time

FengShuiDove · Mar 13, 2008, 05:54 PM // 17:54

Highly situational. Both Ritualists and Paragons diversified the scene when they entered, Ritualists offering heavy whole party support as well as strong individual heals, Paragons offering some of the best irremovable Prot skills in the game. In PvE, Paragon is the EASY winner for Prot, just running the SY+TNTF. There's literally no competition for this. However in some PvP an Aegis/hybrid prot monk is probably more efficient.

The point, in my opinion, is to find a niche that works for whatever team you're playing with. Saying one class is better than another is saying Albert Einstein is better than Jessica Alba. If you need help on your homework, you know who to turn to, but you probably don't want to wake up with Einstein in bed next to you in the morning.

DISCLAIMER: I am by no means asserting that Alba is only good for sex.

Maybe I should just /resign this post.

Dr Strangelove · Mar 13, 2008, 05:57 PM // 17:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by senti monk of god

well when u think of it rits r good cause of spirits and healing together u r protected and can be healing at same time

Except necros are better at it because of soul reaping.

Rits have less raw defensive power, since they don't have stuff like WoH or prot spirit. However, rits are better at party healing (PwK, life), energy management (essence strike, offering of spirit), and the channeling line is vastly better than the smiting line (splinter, AR).

Miska Bow · Mar 13, 2008, 06:03 PM // 18:03

Rits or monk?

I guess in the end it all depends on the hand holding the mouse.

lilbubba829 · Mar 13, 2008, 06:15 PM // 18:15

Rits are a great support healer but should always have a monk imo. There are a lot of times where an entire team is getting damage (such as Abaddons Gate) that spirits like Life heal entire team for 140 or spirits that reduce durations of conditions which can be a huge help to any monk.