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ThomOfDeath · Jan 09, 2010, 10:08 PM // 22:08

Okay, I want to max some titles, so I want a good hero setup. Is there a way to combine a SoS spirit spammer with Discord? Or is an other hero setup more advised?

Xsiriss · Jan 09, 2010, 10:30 PM // 22:30

Well painful bond for a hex,guess you can use pve skill like YMLAD for conditions or whatever. You can easily make it work. Or you can use some sort of spirit spamming with SoGM on a hero...your choice.

ThomOfDeath · Jan 09, 2010, 11:05 PM // 23:05

Okay painful bond is a very good idea indeed, because it's area hex.. Couldn't I perhaps also use something like that with the condition.. Like Technobabble, only then a longer duration ^^

Dorny · Jan 09, 2010, 11:22 PM // 23:22

I often do this. Painful Bond is generally enough for me, but go for more if you want

Evil Eye · Jan 09, 2010, 11:29 PM // 23:29

you are all weaklings?

dr_ishmael · Jan 09, 2010, 11:39 PM // 23:39

Minions are really the easiest way to spread conditions. I've usually got plenty of Jagged Horrors running around causing bleeding, not to mention all the Death Novas all over the place.

Blind Was Mingson is good - deals AoE blind, so besides fueling Discord, you're also shutting down most of the enemies' attack damage. I usually have AoE hexes/conditions on the heroes, too, so I don't have to worry about it all the time - Enfeebling Blood and either Suffering or Ulcerous Lungs (Jagged = Bleeding = UL's degen kicks in).

The problem with "You Are All Weaklings!" and Technobabble is that they're only adjacent range, and it's usually hard to get PvE foes to get that close together, especially in hard mode. All the skills I mentioned above, as well as Painful Bond, are nearby range, which is much easier to work with.

ThomOfDeath · Jan 09, 2010, 11:55 PM // 23:55

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Originally Posted by dr_ishmael

Minions are really the easiest way to spread conditions. I've usually got plenty of Jagged Horrors running around causing bleeding, not to mention all the Death Novas all over the place.

Blind Was Mingson is good - deals AoE blind, so besides fueling Discord, you're also shutting down most of the enemies' attack damage. I usually have AoE hexes/conditions on the heroes, too, so I don't have to worry about it all the time - Enfeebling Blood and either Suffering or Ulcerous Lungs (Jagged = Bleeding = UL's degen kicks in).

The problem with "You Are All Weaklings!" and Technobabble is that they're only adjacent range, and it's usually hard to get PvE foes to get that close together, especially in hard mode. All the skills I mentioned above, as well as Painful Bond, are nearby range, which is much easier to work with.

Great idea! Thanks! I can really use this all

Hanma l · Jan 10, 2010, 01:04 AM // 01:04

/N - Putrid Flesh or Rotting Flesh = Disease -> easy to spread both NM/HM
/P - Anthem of Weariness = Weakness

Another two skills that u might want to take are YMLaD and Finish Him as they come in handy often either to rupt spells or to quickly finish a monk w/ less than 50% hp. Cheers

Captain Bulldozer · Jan 10, 2010, 06:24 AM // 06:24

With a minions bomber (or two depending on your discord setup) in your team, spreading conditions around shouldn't be much of a problem. I usually run a pure spammer with discord heroes quite effectively. I use painful bond and Shadowsong, which together with the conditions spread by my discord heroes is more than enough to let the discord away. Take YMLaD for an extra one if needed. Good hunting.

ightgg · Jan 10, 2010, 06:49 AM // 06:49

Painful Bond + YMLAD is key when fighting a mob with a few monks. Also helps if boss is like an RC monk. Which can take foreverrr to kill without proper ping calling for Discord spam. Just advice. Youd like anet would have nerfed all this by now. Using this almost a year ago i think and saw its power. Doesnt anet kill all fun powerful builds? Lol goodluck
-Drama

ThomOfDeath · Jan 10, 2010, 01:35 PM // 13:35

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Originally Posted by Dont Cause Drama

Painful Bond + YMLAD is key when fighting a mob with a few monks. Also helps if boss is like an RC monk. Which can take foreverrr to kill without proper ping calling for Discord spam. Just advice. Youd like anet would have nerfed all this by now. Using this almost a year ago i think and saw its power. Doesnt anet kill all fun powerful builds? Lol goodluck
-Drama

Got a fair point there... What build should I use then? Atm have: [Bloodsong][Vampirism][Pain][Anguish][SoS][Summon Spirits][Painful Bond][Boon of Creation]

**Marty Silverblade** · Jan 12, 2010, 05:20 AM // 05:20

Drop Boon of Creation for Siphon Spirit. It provides much more energy (iirc you get a net return of 9 energy per spirit), doesn't rely on Spawning Power (if you needed to drop/lower it for any reason), and can't be stripped. It does have a 3 second recharge as opposed to the instant effect of BoC, but it's not like SoS builds are that heavy on energy anyway.

HigherMinion · Jan 12, 2010, 10:24 AM // 10:24

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Originally Posted by ThomOfDeath

Okay, I want to max some titles, so I want a good hero setup. Is there a way to combine a SoS spirit spammer with Discord? Or is an other hero setup more advised?

Sorry, there must be some mistake. Discord is "good" but you want something a little better to make things easier. You already have enough spiking power with your spirits.

MasterSasori · Jan 14, 2010, 08:44 AM // 08:44

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Originally Posted by ThomOfDeath

Okay, I want to max some titles, so I want a good hero setup. Is there a way to combine a SoS spirit spammer with Discord? Or is an other hero setup more advised?

For your heroes, Jagged Minions spread bleeding and therefore should be used. Poison Nova + Jagged should spread plenty of conditions. Adding in Enfeebling Blood and you should be all set for the condition department.

Painful Bond already serves as a good AoE hex with reasonable recharge. Using a 40/40 allows you to cast this faster and more often.

D A R K S O I F O N · Jan 22, 2010, 10:03 PM // 22:03

nice, im gonna try this and hope that i can max my norm/assuran titles for my new rit.

Daesu · Jan 25, 2010, 05:12 PM // 17:12

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Originally Posted by ThomOfDeath

Okay, I want to max some titles, so I want a good hero setup. Is there a way to combine a SoS spirit spammer with Discord? Or is an other hero setup more advised?

For my SoS spirit spammer, I use a hero setup similar to spiritway:

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Hero_Spiritway

But I replace the communing rit hero with one that synergizes with SoS using similar principles to:

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Dual_Spirit_Spam

Then have another restoration healer with spirit spihon and a MM.

MasterSasori · Jan 25, 2010, 05:50 PM // 17:50

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Originally Posted by Daesu

For my SoS spirit spammer, I use a hero setup similar to spiritway:

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Hero_Spiritway

But I replace the communing rit hero with one that synergizes with SoS using similar principles to:

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Dual_Spirit_Spam

Then have another restoration healer with spirit spihon and a MM.

I like the idea, but I have a few problems with the Dual Spirit Spam build you present.

First off is Vampirism on the Channeling Rit. It would be much better off on the SoGM.

Next is Boon of Creation. It doesn't matter if the other rit has a Siphon Spirit. There are so many spirits that you should be gaining all the energy you possibly need. BoC is so much worse than Siphon. Heal is negligible and BoC can be removed. Such a high channeling on the SoGM for Siphon Spirit is also unnecessary. There is so much spirit and potential energy, that some of the att points should go to spawning.

Your minion bomber should be /Mo for Aegis and PS. They are both so good in HM and should be a staple unless you have high damage mitigation from something like E/Mo infuser or imbagon.

GDW and/or Splinter Weapon are not present on the Channeling Rit. With such high spawning plus extra slots, why are they not staple? GDW would be extended to a long 30 second duration. It's is relatively easy to keep it up on 2 different physicals and still have the energy to spam with SS. If the lack of physicals is your concern, realize that minions can use them to a good extent so long as you place them correctly.

I think Anguish is horrible and I'd rather take Disenchantment, but that's up to you. I think the damage is already enough from what you posted.

Daesu · Jan 26, 2010, 12:12 AM // 00:12

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Originally Posted by MasterSasori

I like the idea, but I have a few problems with the Dual Spirit Spam build you present.

First off is Vampirism on the Channeling Rit. It would be much better off on the SoGM.

Vampirism would, of course, be carried by the rit human character if needed, since it is a PvE skill.

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Next is Boon of Creation. It doesn't matter if the other rit has a Siphon Spirit. There are so many spirits that you should be gaining all the energy you possibly need. BoC is so much worse than Siphon. Heal is negligible and BoC can be removed. Such a high channeling on the SoGM for Siphon Spirit is also unnecessary. There is so much spirit and potential energy, that some of the att points should go to spawning.

Agree, I dont use BoC. I have Spirit Siphon on all 3 rits.

Actually I dont use SoGM either because SoGM only affects your own spirits, so I use Wanderlust instead.

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Your minion bomber should be /Mo for Aegis and PS. They are both so good in HM and should be a staple unless you have high damage mitigation from something like E/Mo infuser or imbagon.

Yes, my minion bomber is /Mo for Aegis/PS.

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GDW and/or Splinter Weapon are not present on the Channeling Rit. With such high spawning plus extra slots, why are they not staple? GDW would be extended to a long 30 second duration. It's is relatively easy to keep it up on 2 different physicals and still have the energy to spam with SS. If the lack of physicals is your concern, realize that minions can use them to a good extent so long as you place them correctly.

GDW is a PvE skills so it has to be brought by the rit human character if needed and Splinter Weapon, if needed, should also be brought by the rit human as the rit human specializes in channeling. In other words, since everyone's spirit spamming build can be slightly different, I leave it to the rit human character to decide and balance it up. This is why I have only mentioned the build concepts, not a unique build.

MasterSasori · Jan 26, 2010, 03:59 AM // 03:59

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Originally Posted by Daesu

Vampirism would, of course, be carried by the rit human character if needed, since it is a PvE skill.

Since both builds had Summon Spirits, I assumed that they were both meant for humans.

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Originally Posted by Daesu

Actually I dont use SoGM either because SoGM only affects your own spirits, so I use Wanderlust instead.

With 4 spirits, SoGM is worth taking because of the good DPS it provides. Wanderlust is meh and KD seems to be more for lolz than actual help.

I don't like any offensive spirit builds for heroes other than the channeling rit because heroes have no sense of position and cannot carry their spirits around. In the end, its too much of a hassle.

Though you did mention that your hero uses similar principles, I haven't actually seen the actual build you use. Care to share?

Daesu · Jan 26, 2010, 05:20 AM // 05:20

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Originally Posted by MasterSasori

Since both builds had Summon Spirits, I assumed that they were both meant for humans.

For that specific pvx build (dual spirit spam) yes, but I only quoted that build to extract the general principles in answer to the OP's question of a hero group for his rit.

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I don't like any offensive spirit builds for heroes other than the channeling rit because heroes have no sense of position and cannot carry their spirits around. In the end, its too much of a hassle.

In practise that is not much of a problem since most areas are open in pve. In the rare situations, you can still micro the hero.

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Though you did mention that your hero uses similar principles, I haven't actually seen the actual build you use. Care to share?

I agree with you that Wanderlust is kind of meh and SoGM would probably work better with 3 spirits or more. I like KD however, it is a universal interrupt with great defensive capability.

My heroes build is customized to my own rit's build and spirit spammer builds are different among rit players.

Some ideas of heroes for a SoS Channeling SS Rit with Painful Bond:

Communing/Command Rit:

[build prof=Rt/P][Spirit Siphon][Disenchantment or Pain][Signet of Ghostly Might][Armor of Unfeeling][Anthem of Disruption][Shadowsong][Anguish][Flesh of My Flesh or Anthem of Weariness][/build]

Restoration Rit:

[build prof=Rt/?][Xinrae's Weapon][Weapon of Warding][Mend Body and Soul][Spirit Light][Flesh of My Flesh][Spirit Siphon][Protective Was Kaolai][Soothing Memories or Life][/build]

minion bomber MM:

[build prof=N/Mo][Aura of the Lich or Discord][Animate Bone Minions][Death Nova][Putrid Bile][Enfeebling Blood or SoLS][Protective Spirit][Aegis][Resurrection Chant][/build]