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Quid Pro Quo · Aug 02, 2006, 05:00 AM // 05:00

I saw a P/D weilding a scythe that was tanking better then most Dervishes and healing just as well if not better.

P/Ds could be the new wammos or maybe even better.

Nevin · Aug 02, 2006, 05:25 AM // 05:25

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Originally Posted by Hella Good

Ugh... I'll pretend I didnt see the above statement about Mesmers being only good as a 2ndary...

Paragons are fairly boring to me, is all I can say. I attempted to make myself slighly interested in the profession but it is just so supportive and lacking any character of its own that it was completely impossible. I do acknowledge the benefit of having one in an 8 person team but the one thing I'm going to agree with DeathShadowX is we will most likely see the Paragon used as a 2ndary- no need to waste a whole slot on an entirely supportive character that other than support cant do jack.

Spear Mastery in essence can be just about as deadly as a sword warrior.

BenO_Under · Aug 02, 2006, 05:30 AM // 05:30

Paragon Ftw

da_king · Sep 23, 2006, 11:44 PM // 23:44

I love the Paragon, I think they might be able to replace the E/Mo that is used in GvG. I don't think we should play the Paragon just fully support or fully spear attacking, I think the most effective way is the mixture of both (unless in specific builds). When I was playing my Paragon, I rarely run out of energy thanks to Leadership, I just basically use adrenalin shouts like "Watch Yourself" as much as I can which helps both my energy management and my allies which is quite good. I just see a lot of potential in this class. I am actually looking forward to play this class more than the Dervish!

Kerberus · Sep 24, 2006, 03:20 AM // 03:20

After only playing the paragon since this morning, I have to say I love the class!!

P/W is a sick combo, being able to keep +4 regen on an entire party forever is great. Not to mention all the skills that cause burning, I am having too much fun with this.

(SK)Pariah · Sep 24, 2006, 10:04 AM // 10:04

Somehow...I think Paragons will make their way into both the frontline and backline of the GvG arena...while Dervishes may enjoy a brief stay...I doubt they'll get as much long term use, aside from a few 'one trick pony' guild builds...

Tainek · Sep 24, 2006, 11:39 AM // 11:39

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Originally Posted by JoeKnowMo

I'm really intrigued with Paragons as a support class. As one example, imagine having your Warriors with 4 pips of energy, Rangers w 5 pips, and 'Sins with 6 pips of energy regen for pretty much the duration of a match. Think about the serious pressure they could put on another team, esp. in 8 v 8. Here's how:

Aria of Power (Leadership) - For 10-40 seconds, each ally within earshot gains 2 Energy regeneration until that ally casts a spell.

Costs 25 energy, recharges in 45 seconds, 1 sec cast time, and it's a chant so it can't be removed. Yes, it costs 25 energy, but the Paragon will also benefit and will get 4 pips as well

At about Leadership 14 or higher, you should be able to keep this chant up forever.

The downside is that your Warrior can't cast Mending on himself and that this will benefit Touch Rangers too, since they proly won't need OoB anymore

at 16 Motivation the paragon will gain exactly 25 energy back from Aria Of Power

For a Battery Character, i would think that:
Aria Of Zeal (10 Energy On Next Spell, Once every 20s (or 5 energy ever 10s)
Lyric Of Zeal (10 Energy On Next Signet, For a Monk, Signet of devotion (about 10 Energy every 15s)
Energizing Finalie (4 Energy Every Time either of the above chant Ends, Keep this on the monks)

With these three skills, you could drop E-management Elites on a Boon Prot and Still Do fine for energy

Throw In Zealos Anthem To Assist Rangers/Warriors/Dervish/Paragons/Assassins (8 energy every 20 Seconds)

and your using 12+1+1 Attributes, so you have 3+Rez Skills Left and Enough Attributes to max anouther line

SnipiousMax · Sep 24, 2006, 08:22 PM // 20:22

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Originally Posted by Hella Good

...no need to waste a whole slot on an entirely supportive character that other than support cant do jack.

I think Paragon's have the potential to replace a secondary damage dealer AND a supportive character. So instead of wasting a slot, it gives you an extra slot. Rather than try and force them into a supportive role, it wouldn't be much of a stretch to use them as both and offensive and supportive character. They'd fit into a pressure build, and could manage a spike assist.

I think you're looking at it wrong, but we'll see how they re-balance things before release.

Spader · Sep 25, 2006, 03:51 AM // 03:51

paragons do have some serious hp recovery for themselfs and one of the best hard resses imo. 2 paragons can take on a team of four easily if they're skilled right.

if i were a monk secondary in nightfall i'd expect extenguish from just all those para mobs.

Valkyrian · Sep 25, 2006, 02:32 PM // 14:32

Played AB last night as my assassin, with three guild members:

1. A/W
2. Me/N
3. D/Mo
4. P/W

We steam-rolled just about every group we went up against in about an hour and a half of play. Most people thought it was because my pressure Sin and the Derv were getting massive dmg with a backup of E-denial from our Mes....

BUT, the truth of the matter is, the ONLY reason we stayed alive for so long and were barely taking hits was because of our PARAGON. I myself haven't played the class, but after being supported by one, I will never underestimate that class again. Not only were we capping faster because of his speed shouts, but his healing shouts and defensive shouts made most pressure melee groups look like a joke. All in all I may be choosing to build myself a Para when nightfalls comes out instead of a Derv... GJ Anet!

jake jacobs · Oct 29, 2006, 07:13 PM // 19:13

heres wat i think:

-paragons can do wat ever anything else can do, for the most part, dont be all like: *hikes pants up to nipples, pushes scotch taped glasses up on nose, and adjusts pocket protector* "well paragons cant use spells!")
-they can tank (with an AL of a tank, they can take it. also they got the sheild)
-they can heal like a rit (rits are so-so at healing and Pars are on about the same lvl)
-they can spike like a ranger (burning, dazed bleeding, they can inflict condions)
-shouts can support like a well or a ward (gives evasion, healing, armor, etc.)
-can run like a warrior (has the only 25% boost like the warrior have stuff like a warrior very similar for running)
-well since sins, dont really arent that great at anything, (no offense sin ppl)

i think paragons arent going to overthrow anyone (maybe the rit, but they did most of the work at killing themselves) but merely are going to help them like you can have white grape juice or red grape juice, same basic thing but, they are both unique

Lambentviper · Oct 29, 2006, 07:38 PM // 19:38

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Originally Posted by Chris Blackstar

Devishs are just like touch rangers, a noob build made for quick kills with no skills what so ever.

except touch rangers revolve around 3 skills, 2 of which you could break a finger spamming so much

dervishes have many more than 3 skills, great elites, and can even double as a healer..easily takeing the place of a monk primary. Lets not forget the usefulness of their Elite Forms and such.

so, 3 skills = wide-range of spells, heals, and high damage attacks that revolve around correct placement of yourself. Funny joke!

Bloodied Blade · Oct 29, 2006, 07:46 PM // 19:46

^^

Don't forget that the touch ranger can be owned by the paragon anti-touch skill shout...

Lambentviper · Oct 29, 2006, 08:56 PM // 20:56

^^

yeah, but even that only affects 1 target, has a recharge of 20 seconds, and only prevents 4 touches >.>

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quid Pro Quo

I saw a P/D weilding a scythe that was tanking better then most Dervishes and healing just as well if not better.

P/Ds could be the new wammos or maybe even better.

no way....Frenzymend Sig wamos > internet

Tioshi · Oct 30, 2006, 07:10 PM // 19:10

I love the Dervish -.- But i think the paragon is more my type cuz sometimes the Dervish becomes too slow on doing attacks i like fast things[movements]... but still i love the dervish cloth but the paragon is HOWSOME(AWSOME + HOT)....0_0

Tioshi · Oct 30, 2006, 07:11 PM // 19:11

Oh Im Kinda A Newb In The Thread Things And All How Can U Put A Picture In Under Ur Name

Lambentviper · Oct 30, 2006, 08:59 PM // 20:59

umm...well first off, its very easy to not be a "thread newb"

1) dont capitalize the first letter of every word >.>
2) just read...there are clear descriptions of each thread....and this obviously has nothing to do with putting pictures in under your name
3) the search button = hot love...use it all the time
4) click the User CP (control panel) link and then hit the "Edit Avatar" link

Dodo The Extinct · Oct 31, 2006, 12:28 AM // 00:28

I think that Paragons are mostly support chars. They are not meant to be in the fray, taking damage. Instead, they are meant to assist and buff their team while providing damage.

In a way, this makes me very sad, because it gives the Ritualist even more competition. Ritualists are generally labled "Support", and they seem to be slowly fading away. With so many proffessions, people seem to want specialization, not versatility.

unholy guardian · Oct 31, 2006, 01:58 AM // 01:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeKnowMo

I'm really intrigued with Paragons as a support class. As one example, imagine having your Warriors with 4 pips of energy, Rangers w 5 pips, and 'Sins with 6 pips of energy regen for pretty much the duration of a match. Think about the serious pressure they could put on another team, esp. in 8 v 8. Here's how:

Aria of Power (Leadership) - For 10-40 seconds, each ally within earshot gains 2 Energy regeneration until that ally casts a spell.

Costs 25 energy, recharges in 45 seconds, 1 sec cast time, and it's a chant so it can't be removed. Yes, it costs 25 energy, but the Paragon will also benefit and will get 4 pips as well

At about Leadership 14 or higher, you should be able to keep this chant up forever.

The downside is that your Warrior can't cast Mending on himself and that this will benefit Touch Rangers too, since they proly won't need OoB anymore

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tainek

at 16 Motivation the paragon will gain exactly 25 energy back from Aria Of Power

Aria of power is gone, hasn't been in the game since the pvp event... song of power is the cloest thing to it, 4 pips though, but it ends once any skill is used.

Tioshi · Oct 31, 2006, 06:51 PM // 18:51

Paragon is my type after i tried the dervish i asked my self if the paragon would be my tuype and it is