Originally Posted by Avarre

How are people even discussing this?

Unless you're using a bunch of 15e skills, the spammable 4a skill change won't hurt.

Unless you're charging far ahead with no defense or monks, -20 armor to the most defensive class in the game won't hurt. Granted, hero monks spamming to remove it is something that needs to be tweaked.

Paragon passive defense is still the best in the game. Paragons are still one of the best PvE classes in the game, assuming you aren't bad. And being bad at a Paragon is something that takes a lot of concentrated effort.