Curse

TleilaxuMaster · Dec 16, 2007, 08:26 PM // 20:26

I've been using my standard LoD/Prot with SF Ele (For burning), but presumably some sort of physical (melee, Ranger/Paragon) setup would be better, as Paragon's skills tend to lean quite heavily toward the physical attacker. Perhaps orders, etc? Monk henches aren't that bad, plus paragon's damage reduction...

I just fancy something different to the usual Monk/SF/MM combinations, and hopefully more effective!

Any ideas or thoughts are much appreciated.

Squeak2 · Dec 16, 2007, 08:29 PM // 20:29

go to the sticky and get the ToF tank build for Para hero. A monk, then an Axe warrior, cleave, cyclone axe, etc.

Fun fun melee group.

blakecraw · Dec 16, 2007, 08:39 PM // 20:39

In many places I like to run 3 sf eles, "They're on Fire," and the various motivation arias that give bonuses for casting spells. Why bother buffing physicals when you don't need a tank since everybody has "They're of Fire" and "There's Nothing to Fear" on them?

distilledwill · Dec 16, 2007, 09:19 PM // 21:19

Paragons synergise well with... other paragons.

If you have EOTN, Id suggest setting one up with a command build, one with a motivation build and yourself with a spear DPS/TNTF/SY! build and just walk through everything laughing like its christmas.

Koning · Dec 17, 2007, 09:05 AM // 09:05

I usually run with 2 other para (or para + warrior sometimes) and an order. For henches depending on HM/NM 2 or 1 monk, a fighter, earth, ranger (if in EotN, barrage+order) or interrupt. Really nice damage, and almost unbeatable

odly · Dec 17, 2007, 01:55 PM // 13:55

When doing H/H I've been taking 2SF's and a MM.

They're on Fire : combines nicelly with the SF's.
Got for the eyes : help improve the minnions.
There's nothing to fear : helps everyone.

Adrenalin spear attacks, watch yourselves, paragon res sig

considering : vanguard standard of + damage/fast recharge, or I'm the strongest, ...

TleilaxuMaster · Dec 17, 2007, 02:34 PM // 14:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Squeak2

go to the sticky and get the ToF tank build for Para hero. A monk, then an Axe warrior, cleave, cyclone axe, etc.

Fun fun melee group.

Plus a (dreadfully boring) SF Ele, was like a hot knife through butter.

Quote:

Originally Posted by blakecraw

In many places I like to run 3 sf eles, "They're on Fire," and the various motivation arias that give bonuses for casting spells. Why bother buffing physicals when you don't need a tank since everybody has "They're of Fire" and "There's Nothing to Fear" on them?

Indeed, but that's just boring. As I said I am bored of the usual SF/Monk/MM combinations.

Quote:

Originally Posted by distilledwill

Paragons synergise well with... other paragons.

If you have EOTN, Id suggest setting one up with a command build, one with a motivation build and yourself with a spear DPS/TNTF/SY! build and just walk through everything laughing like its christmas.

Hmm, sounds nice but I'll have to try it later on, due to the fact I haven't got Morgahn or Hayda yet. (I have Proph, Factions, NF and GWEN for the record, forgot to say.)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koning

I usually run with 2 other para (or para + warrior sometimes) and an order. For henches depending on HM/NM 2 or 1 monk, a fighter, earth, ranger (if in EotN, barrage+order) or interrupt. Really nice damage, and almost unbeatable

Hmm, what's a hero order build? I can't seem to find any. Unless they just aren't flagged as hero builds.

Thanks a lot for your replies.

Koning · Dec 17, 2007, 03:11 PM // 15:11

I picked it up somewhere on this forum, don't exactly remember from where.

Anyway: D/N

Arcane zeal
order of pain
dark fury
dwayna's touch
mystic healing
vow of piety (i believe)
faitfull intervention
watchfull intervention

Works really good. You can also choose to go necromancer primary but this one has good healing capacity and energy is no problem.

Mitchel · Dec 17, 2007, 03:29 PM // 15:29

I usually run Sab's because it's ownzz, or @ Paragon+Whatever I feel like

TleilaxuMaster · Dec 17, 2007, 08:45 PM // 20:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mitchel

I usually run Sab's because it's ownzz, or @ Paragon+Whatever I feel like

Yes, I generally use that on my Sin. Albeit with tweaks depending on the area/dungeon.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koning

I picked it up somewhere on this forum, don't exactly remember from where.

Anyway: D/N

Arcane zeal
order of pain
dark fury
dwayna's touch
mystic healing
vow of piety (i believe)
faitfull intervention
watchfull intervention

Works really good. You can also choose to go necromancer primary but this one has good healing capacity and energy is no problem.

http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forum...d.php?t=425879

Found it! Thanks, it's very good even after the Mystic Healing nerf.

upier · Dec 18, 2007, 08:05 AM // 08:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by distilledwill

Paragons synergise well with... other paragons.

If you have EOTN, Id suggest setting one up with a command build, one with a motivation build and yourself with a spear DPS/TNTF/SY! build and just walk through everything laughing like its christmas.

That's actually one of the few reasons why I'd get GWEN.
A second Para hero. /drools

I normally run Morgy, Masters (curses + channeling weapon spells) and a warrior.
Henchies - monks, paragons, warriors - whatever is available.
I don't do other squishes - maybe the occasional assassin if I can't get any other melee henchies.

Arkantos · Dec 18, 2007, 08:07 AM // 08:07

Running 2 paragon heroes and a D/N orders hero is pretty awesome.

erfweiss · Dec 18, 2007, 01:50 PM // 13:50

I'm running a SY/TNTF Paragon with Sab's Necros. I vanquished Cantha H/H and now I'm halfway thru Elona vanquishing with same build.

Koning · Dec 18, 2007, 02:01 PM // 14:01

TBH I tried that too (3 x necro), but it's kinda boring to me. It works, yes. But hitting 100+ with a spear is cooler imo, as well as being unbeatable (not that I was dying fast with 3x necro, but still..).

Moloch Vein · Dec 18, 2007, 07:58 PM // 19:58

Me and my friend raced through the final missions in NF NM using a H/H build that changed very little between missions.

We both ran paragons with Soldier's Fury - or maybe Jim ran Cruel Spear, I can't remember.

Morgahn also ran Soldier's Fury with They're on Fire/Anthem of Flame etc.

Hayda ran Song of Restoration if I'm not mistaken.

I ran Motivation with the non-elite shouts.

Friend ran the Command shouts with GFTE.

I think Morgahn packed GFTE as well.

We packed two necromancers, one running SS+MoP+Barbs and the other running SV+Mark of Fury.

To round it up with included two monks. I don't even remember which builds they ran, I'm not even sure if they were both set to heal or prot.

Bottom line was we completed the final missions of NF (Kormir's Crusade -> Abaddon's Gate) with this setup and no other human players in an afternoon. It stood unchanged up to and including Abaddon with no party deaths when facing Abaddon, with Masters reward on all missions.

I would say that Paragons synergize better with Necromancers than any other class in PvE (excluding Paragons.) They are very similar as a class - high-influence characters. Necromancers have excellent utilities to augment damage, help gain adrenaline and buff the physicals, and they are also the only class capable of keeping up with the frightening energy engine of Leadership in PvE.

TleilaxuMaster · Dec 18, 2007, 09:02 PM // 21:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by erfweiss

I'm running a SY/TNTF Paragon with Sab's Necros. I vanquished Cantha H/H and now I'm halfway thru Elona vanquishing with same build.

Hehe, steamroller.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moloch Vein

Bottom line was we completed the final missions of NF (Kormir's Crusade -> Abaddon's Gate) with this setup and no other human players in an afternoon. It stood unchanged up to and including Abaddon with no party deaths when facing Abaddon, with Masters reward on all missions.

I would say that Paragons synergize better with Necromancers than any other class in PvE (excluding Paragons.) They are very similar as a class - high-influence characters. Necromancers have excellent utilities to augment damage, help gain adrenaline and buff the physicals, and they are also the only class capable of keeping up with the frightening energy engine of Leadership in PvE.

Hm, that sounds like fun. Trying to get both Paragons from NF/GWEN as fast as I can to try them all together which is a bit of a pain working 12 hour days before Christmas. :[

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koning

TBH I tried that too (3 x necro), but it's kinda boring to me. It works, yes. But hitting 100+ with a spear is cooler imo, as well as being unbeatable (not that I was dying fast with 3x necro, but still..).

Yup, exactly. I just fancy something a bit different.

Mel with the D/N build is brilliant! Absolutely love it.

Ninian_Grace · Dec 19, 2007, 03:44 PM // 15:44

I usualy use a full caster team with my Paragon caster team build. mass dmg reduction and +defense with ''stand your ground!''

the_jos · Dec 19, 2007, 04:41 PM // 16:41

Human para, 2x para hero (could swap out one for warrior), warrior hero (+1 instead of para), interrupt ranger hench, 2x monk hench and one optional hench. Para's are leadership/spear/command.
Used that in most of EotN, no more caster teams for me

Racthoh · Dec 20, 2007, 05:23 AM // 05:23

I run these all the time:

Me:

One of the following two depending on if I want to blow up mobs to have a little extra healing power:

Again, depending on the area if it's hex heavy or condition heavy.

Stuff dies, I don't. I'd run Spear of Lightning over Swift Javelin but no +damage from Order of Pain makes me sad.

Koning · Dec 20, 2007, 07:47 AM // 07:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racthoh

Stuff dies, I don't. I'd run Spear of Lightning over Swift Javelin but no +damage from Order of Pain makes me sad.

Hmm thats true, although I don't see any big difference between how much I hit with spear of lightning or let's say vicious attack (since I haven't used swift javelin yet). Many times spear of lightning even hits for more damage. Probably gonna try swift javelin a bit because I realize it's synergy with the orders (and like you say spear of lightning doesn't have that).