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Wrath of m0o · Jan 15, 2008, 05:49 PM // 17:49

Im still learning Paragon..
What would be some good skills to assist a team of Casters, im thinking mabe a Para/rit.
Any insight would be most greatly aperciated.
Thnx in Advance.

Kahmal · Jan 15, 2008, 05:51 PM // 17:51

if your looking for a pure battery - then you could prolly use the anthems that give energy back. Im not sure on the names lol.

there is also the elite skill that gives energy for people within earshot but you have -energy regen or something of that nature. IDK how that would work.

Im assuming this is for pve?

those skills could be used if you are meaning you want to assist the team via energy.

Paragons are generally better at buffing a team with +def and some party healing.

Jaceb · Jan 15, 2008, 06:15 PM // 18:15

Well we have some energy skills

[wiki]Energizing Finale[/wiki] - not worth it for 1 energy..
[wiki]"The Power is Yours!"[/wiki] - big drawback.
[wiki]Aria of Zeal[/wiki] - long cast, easily interrupted.

[wiki]Lyric of Zeal[/wiki] - might help smiting monks the most.
[wiki]Song of Power[/wiki] - long recharge but should be combined with
[wiki]Energizing Chorus[/wiki] to lower the cost (imo).

Providing health, defenses and damage is easier

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Wrath of m0o · Jan 15, 2008, 09:14 PM // 21:14

Yeah, your right..Para isnt the best class for a battery. I was thinking the shouts ending would give the casters energy, but thats only if i make my casters Paragon primarys.

Racthoh · Jan 15, 2008, 09:58 PM // 21:58

The Power Is Yours!, Aria of Zeal, and Lyric of Zeal are going to be your best battery options. But really if your team needs more than the first two I'd be finding other people to play with.

Terraban · Jan 15, 2008, 11:32 PM // 23:32

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Originally Posted by Wrath of m0o

Yeah, your right..Para isnt the best class for a battery. I was thinking the shouts ending would give the casters energy, but thats only if i make my casters Paragon primarys.

Um...think ya might need to reread something.

kaldak · Jan 16, 2008, 01:16 AM // 01:16

I wouldnt totally discard energizing finale...with several paras spamming shouts it can be like an extra two pips of energy regen on whoever you put it on.

MercenaryKnight · Jan 16, 2008, 02:34 AM // 02:34

P/r might be better imo. Serpent's quickness can help reduce recharge times. Song of power I found out, can be really good after a battle to get ele heroes or whoever to full energy.

NecroticChanter · Jan 16, 2008, 04:44 AM // 04:44

I don't think paragons make good batteries as well. A 1hp BiP can do 1000 times better than a paragon. But if u wanna try...I would suggest putting lots of shouts in ur build that end quickly(ie Watch yourself!) and slap on Energizing Finale on the person you are "batterying". It's not that good but it is a battery.

Off topic: Since you are P/Rt, Death pact sig won't hurt . Its the fastest rezz in the game!

Racthoh · Jan 16, 2008, 06:03 AM // 06:03

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Originally Posted by NecroticChanter

A 1hp BiP can do 1000 times better than a paragon.

A 1 health BiP necromancer has to be the worst possible build in the entire game. It basically teaches you to avoid combat entirely, your casters to mash their spells mindlessly because they have 10 pips of regen, and waste the rest of the slots on your skillbar. Just as bad as an obsflesh tank.

A battery paragon actually has the benefit of staying in combat and dealing damage making it not a waste of space. The Power Is Yours! may drain all of your energy but you still have a strong auto-attack and adrenaline skills you can pump out. The BiP guy, BiPs. Awesome.

NecroticChanter · Jan 16, 2008, 11:52 PM // 23:52

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

A 1 health BiP necromancer has to be the worst possible build in the entire game.

Ya well, just saying it is more effective than a paragon. Besides if a paragon is being a battery, I don't think it would have time to attack or pressure the enemy. If you think BiPs suck so much, why are they need on elite missions such as The Deep and Urgoz?

[DE] · Jan 16, 2008, 11:59 PM // 23:59

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Originally Posted by NecroticChanter

Ya well, just saying it is more effective than a paragon. Besides if a paragon is being a battery, I don't think it would have time to attack or pressure the enemy. If you think BiPs suck so much, why are they need on elite missions such as The Deep and Urgoz?

They aren't needed on elite missions. People just suck.

Arkantos · Jan 17, 2008, 12:03 AM // 00:03

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Originally Posted by NecroticChanter

Ya well, just saying it is more effective than a paragon. Besides if a paragon is being a battery, I don't think it would have time to attack or pressure the enemy. If you think BiPs suck so much, why are they need on elite missions such as The Deep and Urgoz?

BiPs are just like tanks, they're only needed in bad teams.

Racthoh · Jan 17, 2008, 12:42 AM // 00:42

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Originally Posted by NecroticChanter

Ya well, just saying it is more effective than a paragon.

It's not even really more effective. In the few times I've had someone using BiP they would generally use it on me the instant after I cast a 5 energy spell. This basically lead to a full blue bar and 10 arrows pointing right doing nothing. The paragon is going to have its battery skills trigger when the energy is actually necessary.

I've used BiP before, on my warrior. Despite how terrible I was then I still knew to wait until the casters were low enough on energy to receive the full benefit of the spell. If I played a 1 health BiP I would bind "next party member" to one of my mouse buttons and BiP to the other alternating pushes until I hit party member 8 or 12. The hardest part of it would be counting to 12 (assuming enchanting mod on the BiPer), and starting again.

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Besides if a paragon is being a battery, I don't think it would have time to attack or pressure the enemy.

Ehh? It takes all of two seconds to use Aria of Zeal every 20 seconds, The Power Is Yours! is instant.

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If you think BiPs suck so much, why are they need on elite missions such as The Deep and Urgoz?

Because apparently SF eles can't kill anything before running out of energy and three monk backlines have a hard time keeping one warrior alive with a bar full of healing prayers.

The last time I used any sort of battery in an elite mission it was a motivation paragon with Aria of Zeal and Lyric of Zeal. Our necromancers used Barbs and Enfeebling Blood, useful skills.

xDusT II · Jan 17, 2008, 12:57 AM // 00:57

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Originally Posted by NecroticChanter

Ya well, just saying it is more effective than a paragon. Besides if a paragon is being a battery, I don't think it would have time to attack or pressure the enemy. If you think BiPs suck so much, why are they need on elite missions such as The Deep and Urgoz?

What kind of battery paragon are you running? The only "battery" chant I've even considered on my paragon has been Aria of Zeal and on very rare occassions "You have the Power!". I can think of much better ways to reduce energy strain on monks with a paragon.

Regardless of whether or not your Paragon is doing a decent amount of damage (Which he should be doing anyway), he's still doing more than the 1HP bip just sitting there mashing the same skill over and over so other casters can mash the same skill over and over. The only reason people take BiP's is because they want to mash the same keys over and over and no other role supports such a stupid playstyle better than the BiP does.

arsie · Jan 17, 2008, 02:03 AM // 02:03

A regular Motivation paragon with Aria of Zeal is probably the best you can do, if you're running multiple Paragons, then bring Energizing Finale (but if you've got that many Paragons, you'll have less casters :O)

Helping the monks manage their energy by not letting the party take so much damage is probably the best battery a Paragon can be

. They're on Fire! works great with triple Searing Flames. But other than that, Paragons do tend to boost physicals better than casters.

NecroticChanter · Jan 17, 2008, 04:40 AM // 04:40

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Originally Posted by xDusT II

What kind of battery paragon are you running? The only "battery" chant I've even considered on my paragon has been Aria of Zeal and on very rare occassions "You have the Power!".

What is you have the power? Aria of Zeal is definitely not as good as BiP. The aria, as i see it, just gives the caster enough energy back to compensate for the spell that was just casted so really it's no energy gain at all.

Tyla · Jan 17, 2008, 04:42 AM // 04:42

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

BiPs are just like tanks, they're only needed in bad teams.

Just another reason for bad monks to think they own.

xDusT II · Jan 17, 2008, 05:12 AM // 05:12

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Originally Posted by NecroticChanter

What is you have the power? Aria of Zeal is definitely not as good as BiP. The aria, as i see it, just gives the caster enough energy back to compensate for the spell that was just casted so really it's no energy gain at all.

I meant "The power is yours". Shows how much I actually use it.

The aria slows down energy consumption. I wouldn't consider it overly useful but If I have a caster based team and an empty spot that needs to be filled I may take it.

Racthoh · Jan 17, 2008, 07:33 AM // 07:33

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Originally Posted by NecroticChanter

What is you have the power? Aria of Zeal is definitely not as good as BiP.

The fair comparison would be Aria of Zeal to Blood Ritual and "The Power Is Yours!" to Blood is Power. Considering that BiP is elite I would expect it to outclass a non-elite skill in as many aspects as possible. In both cases the paragon's skills are still superior however.

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The aria, as i see it, just gives the caster enough energy back to compensate for the spell that was just casted so really it's no energy gain at all.

Blood is Power, as I see it, puts me at 7/8 or 11/12 when I look at the party window. In a prolonged fight it's often because there is not enough damage to break the enemy not that my casters don't have the energy too.