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Deadslap · Dec 23, 2007, 05:31 AM // 05:31

[skill]Soldier's Fury[/skill] is better than [skill]Soldier's Stance[/skill].

[skill]Cautery Signet[/skill] combined with [skill]Remedy Signet[/skill] or [skill]Plague Touch[/skill] works very nicely.

[skill]"The Power Is Yours!"[/skill] combined with [skill]Ether Signet[/skill] after 10 seconds are over, also work nicely.

[skill]Focused Anger[/skill] used as a Sword'n'Shield-wielding P/W works fairly good. { You can spam [skill]Riposte[/skill] a lot

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[skill]"Incoming!"[/skill] combined with [skill]"They're on Fire!"[/skill] on burning foes work pretty well. { I don't know If you can have 2 shouts active at the same time.. :S }

I really don't know why you say Paragon Elites suck. I only think that they need some body building on them and that's all.

street peddler · Dec 23, 2007, 06:56 AM // 06:56

personally i love [skill]"It's just a flesh wound."[/skill]

kullwarrior · Dec 27, 2007, 01:05 AM // 01:05

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Originally Posted by Deadslap

[...is better than...

All skill you posted are either crapply elite as well or there are better options.take example:
Soldier's Stance is a useless skill to begin with never see a build with it(serious build)
BiP is better than TPiY simply because its easier to counter down side PVE wise or PVP

legacyofkain85 · Dec 28, 2007, 12:48 PM // 12:48

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Originally Posted by arsie

The issue is that the Fire Elemental line has more good elites than Assassins and Ritualists.

actually except the ones form nightfall(searing flames,savanah heat,mind blast)
i cant think of any other maybe except starburst but that only for some ab camed out,i rather use dual atunment and spam rodgort´s invocation than use
double dragon or mind burn in pve

Vicks · Dec 30, 2007, 07:56 PM // 19:56

Depending on where you are and what you're up against, Cautery Signet can be a total godsend.

Combine with Plague Sending and...

Terraban · Dec 30, 2007, 08:25 PM // 20:25

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Originally Posted by Vicks

Depending on where you are and what you're up against, Cautery Signet can be a total godsend.

Combine with Plague Sending and...

smoking the reefer?

Brian the Gladiator · Jan 10, 2008, 10:52 PM // 22:52

I just think saying Paragons don't have enough good elites is rediculous. Paragons don't have many elite skills to begin with just for the simple fact that they are in the third expansion so there are 8 other professions that have more elites to choose from.

Also, compare them to other professions, for instance, the necromancer.

i could argue that Necromancer's only have 5 good elites out of 30.

1) Spiteful Spirit
2) Spoil Victor
3) Corrupt Enchantment
4) Tainted Flesh
5) Toxic Chill

And I don't think toxic chill is that good to begin with anyways.

Another example is the Mesmer. I could argue that they only have 6 good elites out of 29

1) Energy Surge
2) Hex Eater Vortex
3) Power Block
4) Migrain
5) Ineptitude
6) Psychic Distraction

I know people use these skills but the only ones that I would even bother using are HEV and E-Surge.

That is how I look at it.

blue.rellik · Jan 11, 2008, 05:02 AM // 05:02

I'd add Jagged Bones to the Necro list personally

zling · Jan 22, 2008, 03:03 PM // 15:03

good elites and bad elites is very subjective.
I can pick an elite that is considered bad and make it awsome with the right individual and team build.

as for Paragorns, they have some good elites to work with, its not that much of a problem when you compare them to other classes...

Focused Anger- the best Paragorn elite for PvE, works nicely in PvP as well. massive adrenaline for constant spamming of shouts/chants/echoes.

Defensive Anthem- king of PvP blockway. can also work nicely in PvE, especially with a caster team.

Angelic Bond- the Paragorn version or the Bonder. the results are worse than Life Bond and you dont have Life Barrier but it's unremovable which is a huge plus. and as a Paragorn you shouldnt have trouble mitigating damage from yourself as well as your party...

Cruel Spear- ranged Eviscerate anyone? a very good elite, especially for PvP. the "problem" is that the Paragorn has enough ways to inflict deep wound even without it, unlike the Axe Warrior that only has Eviscerate and Disember. Vicious+GfTE and Merciless Spear are both easily met conditional deep wound givers. however Cruel Spear is still the easiest condition to meet and thus used a lot.

Anthem of Guidance- works nicely in PvP, mainly to open the possiblity of adrenal spike vs blockway. problem is that most PvP teams preffer Defensive Anthem over it...

Song of Restoration- pretty good party healing. combines well with other skills from the Motivation line.

Anthem of Fury- works nicely in PvE, mainly in heavy physical teams. massive party wide adrenaline pumper.

Song of Purification- nice to have in heavy condition areas, mainly in PvE as in PvP you will probably have an RC monk and off monk draw anyway...

Cautery Signet- another nice skill to have in heavy condition areas, again mainly in PvE.

Soldier's Fury- for those of you who just cant live with cracked armor this is a fine replacement for Aggressive Refain. its Elite but gives +33% instead of +25%.

those are the mainly used Paragorn elites. a nice variaty compared to other classes... but hey if you still dislike all of them you have elites from other professions that go well with the paragorn, especially no attribute elites.
2 good examples are:
Charge- goes along with a Tactics Paragorn, unconditional speed buff for your entire party.
Expel Hexes- great for hex heavy areas and to counter hexway in PvP.

Shoitaan · Jan 22, 2008, 03:35 PM // 15:35

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Originally Posted by Brian the Gladiator

I just think saying Paragons don't have enough good elites is rediculous. Paragons don't have many elite skills to begin with just for the simple fact that they are in the third expansion so there are 8 other professions that have more elites to choose from.

Also, compare them to other professions, for instance, the necromancer.

i could argue that Necromancer's only have 5 good elites out of 30.

1) Spiteful Spirit
2) Spoil Victor
3) Corrupt Enchantment
4) Tainted Flesh
5) Toxic Chill

And I don't think toxic chill is that good to begin with anyways.

Another example is the Mesmer. I could argue that they only have 6 good elites out of 29

1) Energy Surge
2) Hex Eater Vortex
3) Power Block
4) Migrain
5) Ineptitude
6) Psychic Distraction

I know people use these skills but the only ones that I would even bother using are HEV and E-Surge.

That is how I look at it.

Just a random branch off the thread:
A mesmers role isn't there for damage. If you'd only use those 2 skills then you're better off playing an ele. A mesmer is there to **** with people. Usually set to mess with either casters or fighters. Damage is secondary to nuisance factor.

Back on topic:
My Paragon is currently between Kourna and Vabbi and I have to say, off all my characters (Mes, Ranger, Rit, Sin, Derv).. he's the most dull. I've had the same skill set on my bar since capping cruel spear which was pretty much within an hour of setting foot on the mainland.

I'm trying to spice things up a little by ditching the spear heavy builds and take more leadership/command skills but its not doing too much. The elites are really bothering me which is why I wandered into this thread. They're so very vanilla. Anything that has the potential to be awesome (IMO: Defensive Anthem - just an example), its gimped by either tiny durations or long cooldowns. Maybe it'd be better if I had some experience as a monk, that way I'd be arsed to manually click party members and use echoes (which I pretty much never use apart from aggresive refrain).

I'm not trying to rub Paragons the wrong way, I'm just asking if there's a skill set or use of their elites that makes things less... plain.
Because as it is now, I'm 100% behind the OP

Shuriken · Jan 22, 2008, 07:06 PM // 19:06

Personally I liek playing Paragon a lot, for the lack of good elites. Im using elites from other professions, for some reason most are ele's.

Mr Pink57 · Jan 23, 2008, 12:32 AM // 00:32

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Originally Posted by wazz

And btw necros quite own in pve 3 n/rts heros = ownage
and the necro is also the only proffession that can make paragons stop spamming shouts ---> vocal minority *shivers* to cruel...

Mesmer: Soothing Images, this is a AoE hex of all things too like Vocal, to SHUT DOWN adren.
Ritualist: Soothing, this will significantly slow adren down to stop SY spam or whatever
Necromancer: Well of Silence, another deadly bastard plagued all over NF.

pink

xDusT II · Jan 23, 2008, 01:18 AM // 01:18

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Originally Posted by Mr Pink57

Mesmer: Soothing Images, this is a AoE hex of all things too like Vocal, to SHUT DOWN adren.
Ritualist: Soothing, this will significantly slow adren down to stop SY spam or whatever
Necromancer: Well of Silence, another deadly bastard plagued all over NF.

pink

In most cases where you know there are going to be serious hex problems that prevent you from doing your stuff, you would be taking some kind of hex removal on one of your heroes. Soothing Images and Vocal Minority can both be covered by putting Expel hexes on a hero, and Well of Silence is really only a problem if your dumb enough to stand in it for extended periods of time.

wazz · Jan 23, 2008, 12:51 PM // 12:51

my heros seem to hate me, they prefer to get hexes off me last. -_-

@pink most of the paragon shouts are energy based... so unless you go use warrior shouts, soothing and its counterparts shouldn't hurt to much.
And you can just step out of well of silence.

The only thing that caused me big problems was vocal minority due to my heros acting stopid.

Kermitz · Jan 24, 2008, 01:12 PM // 13:12

Every paragon skill IS usefull most people just don't know with what to combine
it

Tundra · Feb 02, 2008, 08:30 PM // 20:30

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Originally Posted by Terraban

Gonna have to disagree with this.
80% dumb builds
10% Ursan
5% Sabway
5% Decent builds.

And you, of course, are in those 5% with Decent builds..

Terraban · Feb 02, 2008, 09:03 PM // 21:03

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Originally Posted by Tundra

And you, of course, are in those 5% with Decent builds..

Actually, most of the time I am in the dumb builds simply because I am bored of GW, and totally bizarre builds can keep me interested for a little bit.

neoflame · Feb 03, 2008, 02:23 AM // 02:23

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Originally Posted by Kermitz

Every paragon skill IS usefull most people just don't know with what to combine
it

No, there are plenty of useless Paragon skills. "Help Me!", for example. Or "Can't Touch This!". Or Natural Temper. Other examples exist, of course.

Jaceb · Feb 03, 2008, 11:56 AM // 11:56

Although very situational [wiki]"can't touch this!"[/wiki] is semi-usefull from those three. [wiki]Twisting Jaws[/wiki], [wiki]Throw Dirt[/wiki], [wiki]Shock[/wiki] and so on and some challenge missions. The long recharge on it makes it a one-shot wonder though but anyway.

Kermitz · Feb 12, 2008, 06:13 PM // 18:13

God blessed the day that 'can't touch this" has come out.. now those "anagrodons" or whatever they called in EOTN can't do anything cause i really hate them with this i even can farm them