Curse

Guruman · Mar 18, 2008, 01:01 AM // 01:01

This is meant to be a PvE general build.

Attributes
Motivation=11+1+3
Spear Mastery=10+1
Rest In Leadership with a +1 Leadership Rune

Skills
Aria Of Restoration
Chorus Of Restoration
Ballad Of Restoration
Song Of Restoration (E)
Signet Of Synergy
Signet Of Return
Remedy Signet
Spear Of Lightning

Please Give Me Some (Nice,Not Mean )Comment And Suggestions On How To Make This Better.

/Thanks

Edit=I Decided To Put Spear Of Fury In Place Of Spear Of Lightning So I Dont Have To Put Atts. In Spear Mastery And I Can Put More In Leadership (Also Im Savior Of The Kurzicks)

Antithesis · Mar 18, 2008, 01:20 AM // 01:20

It's functional in NM but doesn't take the best advantage of the powerhouse PvE Paragon. I must admit that i ran a similar bar on Morgahn for most of the Nightfall storyline back in the day

You're a glorified party heal shouter and healing is better left to Monks and N/Rts. Paragons are better at inflicting and preventing damage than healing it. If this bar is for a player then it's not a good build. If it's for a Hero it'll work, but there are better options.

naeilfang · Mar 18, 2008, 01:53 AM // 01:53

It is a good build for a ursan support para but other than that it isnt worth much.

MercenaryKnight · Mar 18, 2008, 03:36 AM // 03:36

If you have kurzick title then put save yourselves on your bar. Best pve skill possible for damage reduction. Most likely an ias would work good and if you don't want to keep up aggressive refrain you could try drunken master or flail or something.

jonnieboi05 · Mar 18, 2008, 03:52 AM // 03:52

why does everyone always recommend SY? seriously guys.... i don't mean this as a flame.. but c'mon.. doesn't it get to you that you're being just as bad as ursan users by all running the same crap? think about it. ._.

Richardt · Mar 18, 2008, 04:13 AM // 04:13

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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05

why does everyone always recommend SY? seriously guys.... i don't mean this as a flame.. but c'mon.. doesn't it get to you that you're being just as bad as ursan users by all running the same crap? think about it. ._.

Very good point! Especially considering SY! is a warrior skill lol.

Anyways, your build is fairly close to the FoW "healer" build that you see from time to time. I actually like it, but I usually relegate it to a hero and run something else that utilizes PvE skills on my bar. It used to be pretty good until they upped the recharge time on SoR (grrrr).

If you want something more efficient, I would say go with a N/Rt healer-does a great job and highly energy efficient. It'll sever you well in the majority of NM, and some low end HM stuff. But if you want to get serious about HM and Elite areas, you'll want something with more healing punch.

EDIT: There is some controversy about Spear of Fury. If you don't have GWEN, or don't want to grind for Vanguard points, it's a nice alternative to the Standard of Honor. With you having max Kurz., I'm gonna say that it'll prolly do more damage than Spear of Lightening (something to test with Master of Damage).

Terraban · Mar 18, 2008, 05:04 AM // 05:04

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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05

why does everyone always recommend SY? seriously guys.... i don't mean this as a flame.. but c'mon.. doesn't it get to you that you're being just as bad as ursan users by all running the same crap? think about it. ._.

The same could be said with all "good" players...

Mostly all of them run the "same crap", so does that mean that the majority of good players are as bad as ursan?

And to be on topic somewhat...yeah that build is mediocre. Paragons don't have enough strong support abilities to go pure support. Not to mention that they can do lots of damage with their spear, so they are losing out on that if they go full support.

Heres a little graph I made to show what a Paragon should be.

Yichi · Mar 18, 2008, 05:07 AM // 05:07

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Originally Posted by Guruman

Please Give Me Some (Nice,Not Mean )Comment And Suggestions On How To Make This Better.

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Originally Posted by Guruman

I Decided To Put Spear Of Fury In Place Of Spear Of Lightning So I Dont Have To Put Atts. In Spear Mastery...

These 2 statements contradict each other.

xDusT II · Mar 18, 2008, 05:13 AM // 05:13

You only need 1-2 Restorative chants + TnTF, and Signet of Synergy isn't necessary. Add Aggressive Refrain and some offence.

MasterSasori · Mar 18, 2008, 05:27 AM // 05:27

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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05

why does everyone always recommend SY? seriously guys.... i don't mean this as a flame.. but c'mon.. doesn't it get to you that you're being just as bad as ursan users by all running the same crap? think about it. ._.

The bars are not the same, just similar in style.

If what you say is true, this statement can be said of almost every established skill bar. Then technically everyone is as bad as ursan users.

Racthoh · Mar 18, 2008, 05:36 AM // 05:36

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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05

why does everyone always recommend SY? seriously guys.... i don't mean this as a flame.. but c'mon.. doesn't it get to you that you're being just as bad as ursan users by all running the same crap? think about it. ._.

Because it's the most powerful build in the game?

Antithesis · Mar 18, 2008, 07:20 AM // 07:20

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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05

why does everyone always recommend SY? seriously guys.... i don't mean this as a flame.. but c'mon.. doesn't it get to you that you're being just as bad as ursan users by all running the same crap? think about it. ._.

If the skill exists and it does the job better than any alternative, it makes perfect sense to use it. Why should i feel bad running the best possible skillbar to keep my team alive?

Fantus · Mar 18, 2008, 07:59 AM // 07:59

Well, I guess the OP didn't ask if his build is the most powerful in the game, he asked if it's a good build. And this build isn't bad at all and while obviously not suitable for direct healing does well in pressure reduction. Yes, SY is considerably more powerful than any other damage reduction build in the game. However, if we'd all run the "most powerful" build at any given time there would be only one build left in the game. Which would be booooring.

Antithesis · Mar 18, 2008, 08:25 AM // 08:25

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Originally Posted by Guruman

Edit=I Decided To Put Spear Of Fury In Place Of Spear Of Lightning So I Dont Have To Put Atts. In Spear Mastery And I Can Put More In Leadership (Also Im Savior Of The Kurzicks)

Normally i'd say 'boo! hiss!' but this build spends about half its time shouting, therefore has little damage output compared to the alternatives.

I'd still palm this off onto a hero.

Surena · Mar 18, 2008, 08:30 AM // 08:30

So we don't run the most powerful build in the game because it could lead to degenerate playstyles which might spread throughout the playerbase and ruin it for all?

Guess what? When people Ursancarebear the whole game it means they don't give a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO.

The OP lacks AR. AR helps you get more adrenaline to fuel skills (from which leadership benefits) and much much better dps. A Paragon without offense is just not good.

Antithesis · Mar 18, 2008, 09:08 AM // 09:08

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Originally Posted by Surena

The OP lacks AR. AR helps you get more adrenaline to fuel skills (from which leadership benefits) and much much better dps.

The bar is chock full of energy shouts and weak on offense...AR's not going to help.

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Originally Posted by Surena

A Paragon without offense is just not good.

I couldn't agree more. If the OP wants to run the bar, then we should still be open to helping him improve it. Regardless of whether we like it or not, the build still works.

Fantus · Mar 18, 2008, 09:53 AM // 09:53

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Originally Posted by Antithesis

The bar is chock full of energy shouts and weak on offense...AR's not going to help.

You beat me to it..

Some people stuff AR into every single Paragon bar without even thinking whether it makes sense in there or not. In this one it certainly doesn't make any sense it all. There are perfectly great Paragon builds that don't use any IAS at all.

And whether this specific build requires more offense or not would depend a fair bit on the rest of the team composition, in my view. The great thing about Paragon is versatility - they can be both offensively or defensively oriented or a mixture of both. There is no law requiring offense in every single Paragon build (or defense, for that matter). If the team lacks general damage output I'd stuff more offense in there for sure. If the rest of the team are Ursans anyway, I wouldn't bother.

Surena · Mar 18, 2008, 10:10 AM // 10:10

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Originally Posted by Fantus

You beat me to it..

Some people stuff AR into every single Paragon bar without even thinking whether it makes sense in there or not. In this one it certainly doesn't make any sense it all. There are perfectly great Paragon builds that don't use any IAS at all.

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Originally Posted by Antithesis

The bar is chock full of energy shouts and weak on offense...AR's not going to help.

I wasn't suggesting to replace one exact skill of the OP's bar with AR to make it better, I was just pointing out that AR is a must-have (as IASes generally are), and you should build a bit around it.

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And whether this specific build requires more offense or not would depend a fair bit on the rest of the team composition, in my view. The great thing about Paragon is versatility - they can be both offensively or defensively oriented or a mixture of both. There is no law requiring offense in every single Paragon build (or defense, for that matter). If the team lacks general damage output I'd stuff more offense in there for sure. If the rest of the team are Ursans anyway, I wouldn't bother.

Of course there is no law on how you should play but there are factors that lead to better play and with the great offensive capabilities a Paragon has you'd be very stupid NOT to make use of them. That's why you need to be both to be better.

This is not about "skill competition" amongst PvErs but the potential you definitely miss.

Stormlord Alex · Mar 18, 2008, 10:14 AM // 10:14

Too many healing chants, imo.
Just take 2 of them - Ballad of Restoration with Song of Restoration as the elite; or Ballad with Song of Purification as the elite depending on the area.

Throw onto this "There's Nothing to Fear!" - this acts as both a heal and an insane prot skill; then you're left with half a bar to play with for something the paragon is incredibly good at - killing shit.

Attribute-wise, I'd probably for for an 11/10/10 split...
11+1 Leadership
10+1+1 Spear Mastery
10+1 Motivation (you might wanna buff this up to 12 for 3 conditions removed on Purification)

[skill]aggressive refrain[/skill]
[skill]anthem of flame[/skill]
[skill]song of purification[/skill] (or SoR)
[skill]ballad of restoration[/skill]

[skill]signet of return[/skill]

Anthem of Flame isn't needed, that's more of an easy way of keeping up AR +energy gain with a small damage buff. Just use whatever 2 spear attacks you want - [skill=text]wearying spear[/skill] might work with with Song of Purification.

Fantus · Mar 18, 2008, 10:27 AM // 10:27

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Originally Posted by Surena

I wasn't suggesting to replace one exact skill of the OP's bar with AR to make it better, I was just pointing out that AR is a must-have (as IASes generally are), and you should build a bit around it.

Couldn't disagree any more. Many good Motivation lines I know don't use any IAS at all. Motivation in general isn't really about offense. There is no reason to construct everything you do around one (admittedly good) skill, particularly if it doesn't fit the general theme of the build.

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Originally Posted by Surena

Of course there is no law on how you should play but there are factors that lead to better play and with the great offensive capabilities a Paragon has you'd be very stupid NOT to make use of them.

Except if your build is all about defense and not offense. In that case it would be very stupid to so. AR in the OP's build would be like putting a Smite skill into a Protection Monk's bar. It just doesn't make any sense. Yes, it WOULD be possible to construct a good hybrid build with AR and some offensive skills in it and some Motivation skills too. That this build doesn't have that it doesn't make it automatically bad. It just depends on what the player wants to do with this build. Personally I am not a big fan of hybrid builds and rarely use them. Usually I want my bar to do one thing right and not do several things at once but none of them really good.