Curse

FreakTheMad · Mar 19, 2008, 08:55 PM // 20:55

Okay i just made a Paragon with Guildie of mine, And were doing this together step by step but were wanting to take it full step for Survivor. As of right now there lvl 7... And we chose to go Warrior on the 2ndary. Already grabbed max armor from Docks to extra safety us some.

Now my biggest question is what would be the best build/way setup should we go with doing this? I'm actually fairly new at the Paragons. Had NF since it came out just never really got into one enough to keep one made. Were wanting to do some if not alot of dmg output, But i understand to need to do the buffs from both sides as well. But kinda confused on what road should take to what i should be more apt to mess with and make this whole thing work out for us.

So if anybody could plz give some kind of feedback on it, I would really appreciate it. Kinda tired about time to hit the sack so if need to ask some questions help with answering me plz ask them and i will reply as soon as i can to make it easier for you guys. Thanks.

EDIT: Sorry i did forget to mention i do have ALL the Chapters & EoTN. Sorry hehe.

[Morkai] · Mar 19, 2008, 09:30 PM // 21:30

Well for the "ultimate" "Paragod" build the usual skills are:

There's Nothing to Fear! [Sunspear Rank]
Save Yourselves! [Kurzick/Luxon Title Track]
For Great Justice [Warrior]

Other than that the rest is yours to decide, i understand you're only on Istan atm and don't have access to any Elites, but when you get chance grab Soldier's Fury or another skill that increases adren gain.

TNTF and SY! Are awesome, especially when chained on 2 para's.

As for Hench, take one Healer to be safe and an Elementalist (you have enough physical damage from you 2 Paragons)

Any questions, just ask.

Hope this helps buddy.

Tyla · Mar 19, 2008, 09:33 PM // 21:33

What Berek said, and run atleast 10 Leadership.

But it would help alot if you stated if you have X campaign.

FreakTheMad · Mar 19, 2008, 09:46 PM // 21:46

Okay ty on the fast responce. and Tyla i edited my 1st post. I did forget to mention that sorry. I do have everything so it's not like it's a issue to get where need to.

[Morkai] · Mar 19, 2008, 09:49 PM // 21:49

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Originally Posted by FreakTheMad

Okay ty on the fast responce. and Tyla i edited my 1st post. I did forget to mention that sorry. I do have everything so it's not like it's a issue to get where need to.

No worries, TNTF is your main skill anyway, use it upon recharge.

Good luck with your Survivor.

gw_poster · Mar 19, 2008, 10:21 PM // 22:21

Freak, I'm was in your exact same boat...I started my paragon last weekend in NF, as soon as I got into Kamadan I ferried over to the docks (400g) and got max armor - I bought a cheap, low req max zealous spear, low req shield and did the primary quest chain till I got dunkoro (already had koss early on). I did all primaries and a few of the easy ones with just me and koss using exp scrolls the whole time. Btw: I made ranger as my secondary so I could level a pet at the same time in case I ever want a pet. As soon as level 10 (about 3-4 hours playing time as i recall) - i went to eotn to boreal station. With the buff, all of your att's are increased and hp is equivalent to level 20. Since I've been there, I've leveled to 20 just killing snow wurms - they never hit you (unless ur standing directly next to them - but with max armor they do hardly any damage anyway) and with a 10 minute 2x or 3x (twice as expensive) exp scroll I've moved to L1 survivor in about 4 hours. Slow, but absolutely safe. Also, with the ranger secondary, I charmed the level 5 polar bear right outside before u get to the wurms, and he's level 18 elder atm. The only time you'll need anyone else is when u initially accept the bounty from Thor whatever his name is...he'll fight u and u'll need a little help. For that run, however, just flag your h/h right there and they will be out of exp/loot range. There is always one or two chest on the short (10-15 min) run and usually about 12-18 wurms. Don't go past the trees over the bridge (you'll see where I mean), or you may spawn an aloe thing that does significant damage and u could possibly lose ur survivor.
Btw: my skill bar consists of:

I have all my points in Spear Mastery (especially initially) and Command

Major Spear Mastery Rune
Minor Command Rune (+1 command headpiece)
Major Vigor Rune
2 Vitae Runes
Survivor and Centurion Insignias for the rest

GFTE (bought a tome)
Find Their Weakness }
Barbed Spear }
Wild Throw } Pretty much all the skills
Merciless Spear } available from Kamadan skill trainer and secondary
Spear of Lighting } profession quest
Cruel Spear (bought an elite tome)
Charm animal

The bar is probably not optimized, as I am severely limited in what skills I can get (unless I get more tomes), but it is fulfilling its purpose atm. Since I'm by myself and can't be harmed, I don't bother with motivation or healing skills at all. Initially, its kind of tough to kill a wurm before it burrows back down, but as you level you can do it. Typically, I can clear the wurms before the scroll runs out, but I'll use a cheaper one for the last couple if I don't finish in time. I'll let the pet attack until he gets to about 30 hp, then put him on heel and he's evolved into elder as a result. Depending on how you want to evolve your pet, if at all, you may want to read the other threads on pet evolution and play accordingly.

After 6 tries at doing survivor normally (by playing through the quest/mission chain), with the last one ending in my 530k exp Warrior's demise - I wanted to go the slow, but safe route. Hope this helps, and good luck!

Richardt · Mar 20, 2008, 04:12 AM // 04:12

Once you hit level 10, I would recommend hitting up EotN and farming the dwarf punchout thingy. Easy way to get rank1 survivor (I think it took me 2 hours or so with scrolls).

From EotN you can grab a couple of sweet para elites early on-HoS has Song of Restoration-not the best with the recent....change, but it'll do nicely until you can buy an elite tome or cap. Focused Anger.

Stunning Strike is also floating around in a couple easy dugeons-like Cathedral of Flames. And Cruel Spear is floating around in Rrager's. These are pretty easy to get to elites if you don't want to mess around in NF-and they're pretty good on the damage output.

As for buddying up for later pwnage, I would say one of you go with the classic "Imbagon" (note you'll need to have rank1 Kurzick/Luxon for this) and the other guy run either Cruel Spear or Stunning Strike, and set your heroes up along the Triple Necro "Sabway" and Racthoh's "Racway".

Links for both are:
Racway: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10254869

Sabway: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10200851

Those however will be more for later on when you guys get more heroes though. For more immediate usage, run the N/Rt healer from Sabway, the Orders derv from Racway (should already have Mel.) and the SoP from Racway. For the healer and SoP, you'll need to do the Asuran side....but the only problem with that is getting there (for safety I would recommend going to Gad's via HoS).

I'll stop rambling now XD

MercenaryKnight · Mar 20, 2008, 04:42 AM // 04:42

If you guys want to both get legendary survivor (I think that's what you want). Once your able to go to eotn and kill the wurms outside of boreal station together. They are melee range so they can never hit you, once you both reach level 20 turn on hard mode and farm them some more. It's better than the punchout because if you lag their's no worry about a death unless you run into melee range.

FreakTheMad · Mar 20, 2008, 06:34 AM // 06:34

Okay, Really appreciate the replies everyone. now that i got a nice base plan to work around

Mr. Undisclosed · Mar 20, 2008, 06:49 AM // 06:49

Two SY/TNTF builds chanining their skills is epic, your survival is pretty much guarenteed.

blue.rellik · Mar 20, 2008, 12:10 PM // 12:10

[skill]Aggressive Refrain[/skill]

If anyone tells you not to use that then they are bad players. NEVER take that off your skill bar

MMSDome · Mar 20, 2008, 09:13 PM // 21:13

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Originally Posted by blue.rellik

[skill]Aggressive Refrain[/skill]

If anyone tells you not to use that then they are bad players. NEVER take that off your skill bar

Take AR of your skill bar if your party is using an essence of celerity and you have an extra pve slot to use up and put in drunken master.

samcobra · Mar 21, 2008, 03:30 AM // 03:30

I generally use drunken master as my all-purpose PvE IAS

blue.rellik · Mar 22, 2008, 01:35 AM // 01:35

That's assuming you have the beer lying around

Cathode_Reborn · Mar 22, 2008, 07:08 AM // 07:08

"TNTF" + "SY" are always on my bar. Not gonna waste my 3rd pve skill on an ias. I switch between Spear of fury, "I am the strongest", and the ebon honor ward.

For a survivor though, maybe Aggressive refrain isn't the best choice.

blue.rellik · Mar 22, 2008, 09:29 AM // 09:29

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Originally Posted by Cathode_Reborn

"TNTF" + "SY" are always on my bar. Not gonna waste my 3rd pve skill on an ias. I switch between Spear of fury, "I am the strongest", and the ebon honor ward.

For a survivor though, maybe Aggressive refrain isn't the best choice.

You are wrong

Cathode_Reborn · Mar 22, 2008, 07:01 PM // 19:01

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Originally Posted by blue.rellik

You are wrong

.........no u

Fantus · Mar 22, 2008, 07:12 PM // 19:12

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Originally Posted by blue.rellik

You are wrong

Funny, I just had a similar debate on AR in another thread here....

My Paragon doesn't use AR under normal circumstances since the very last thing you want on a Survivor char is a permanent armor penalty. Oh, well, except you're getting your survivor title with Lutgardis FFF run like most other so-called "Survivors" do ....

Tyla · Mar 22, 2008, 07:17 PM // 19:17

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Originally Posted by Fantus

Funny, I just had a similar debate on AR in another thread here....

My Paragon doesn't use AR under normal circumstances since the very last thing you want on a Survivor char is a permanent armor penalty. Oh, well, except you're getting your survivor title with Lutgardis FFF run like most other so-called "Survivors" do ....

Just get a Motivation Shield r7/15AL, mod it up, use Purifying Finale.
Presto, no Cracked Armour -- either way, it shouldn't make a difference on getting survivor or not anyway...

Fantus · Mar 22, 2008, 07:21 PM // 19:21

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

Just get a Motivation Shield r7/15AL, mod it up, use Purifying Finale.
Presto, no Cracked Armour -- either way, it shouldn't make a difference on getting survivor or not anyway...

You also could use three Monk Heroes and stuff mass condition removal on them so they get rid of Cracked Armor for you...

Seriously: In case you missed the point of a Survivor char: The point is not tossing one extra spear at your enemies every now and then, the point of a Survivor char is not dying...