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Holy Chanter · Jun 30, 2008, 04:25 PM // 16:25

AR gives you cracked armor and it takes 2 much energy and 2 much of thinking :P

so i made this

[Holy Chanter's Skills;OQGjUqmLqS+iWYmYtbXF1Y5i7YA]

yeey meeee

what i do i use 8, rush with group to mobs than 3,4,5,7 and spam atack 1 and buff with 2 go for the eyes its also good in full party for energy maintain when 5 goes out i use 3,4,6,7 when all dead 8 yeeeehaaaaaaaaa :P

its a fun build

And remember never fight alone!

Bowstring Badass · Jun 30, 2008, 04:33 PM // 16:33

Having trouble maintaining AR? lul wut

Once you use AR once you shouldn't have any trouble keeping it up. But this seems kind of baed with no AR. And monsters in PvE are to stupid to notice the cracked armor. And needs more [save yourselves (luxon)] and [theres nothing to fear].

Abedeus · Jun 30, 2008, 04:41 PM // 16:41

Too much thinking? Use Anthem of Flame/Weakness every 10 seconds is SO hard? Wow. Don't try pvp, then.

Also, Save Yourselves > Stand Your Ground.

zelgadissan · Jun 30, 2008, 04:45 PM // 16:45

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Originally Posted by Bowstring Badass

Having trouble maintaining AR? lul wut

That pretty much covers everything I was going to say. [Stand Your Ground!] looks pretty bad when [There's Nothing to Fear!] is an option for a PvE Paragon. You're forgiven for not having [Save Yourselves!] if you don't have Factions, but there's also really no excuse for that either.

In short - you could do worse, but you could do a LOT better.

Holy Chanter · Jun 30, 2008, 04:55 PM // 16:55

but with stand your ground and for great justice you get 100% +33%attack speed pumping go for the eyes and spear attack, i could drop vanguard skill in difficult places and fall back for rezz or smthn. normal para dps is slow and without AR you can actually tank like in ring of fire missions with easy

Tyla · Jun 30, 2008, 04:57 PM // 16:57

AR is only 8% less IAS, and it's free, infinite and doesn't take up an elite slot. There is absolutely no reason not to take it.

Rhamia Darigaz · Jun 30, 2008, 06:12 PM // 18:12

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Originally Posted by Holy Chanter

but with stand your ground and for great justice you get 100% +33%attack speed pumping go for the eyes and spear attack, i could drop vanguard skill in difficult places and fall back for rezz or smthn. normal para dps is slow and without AR you can actually tank like in ring of fire missions with easy

the thing is though that stand your ground directly conflicts with kiting, one of the best ways to mitigate damage. its generally not good to bring bad skills so that you can be lazy and not maintain better ones.
edit: also, tanking's bad

Vann Borakul · Jun 30, 2008, 06:44 PM // 18:44

Well, heroes act retarded with the constant condition removal.

Lishy · Jun 30, 2008, 06:44 PM // 18:44

"They're on fire" is a great skill to keep it up and great for damage reduction if you have a searing flames hero team.

Richardt · Jun 30, 2008, 06:57 PM // 18:57

Yeah...if you want to buff your party in PvE with armor, SY>Stand Your Ground.

Stand Your Ground is just not the greatest skill (neglecting Enduring for a sec.)-currently your build is 11 Command, and SYG only lasts 16s with a 30s recharge! In NM most mobs will be dead by then (excepting of course massive healing on the enemy side), but in HM it's a different story.

In addition your argument about Aggressive Refrain is just flawed-granted you might not like hitting a skill every few seconds-but considering AR is effectively permanent and unstrippable-it's well worth it. And the Cracked Armor-[dismiss conditions] says hi.

And even with Enduring Harmony you still have a 15s cool down with FGJ. And then you got 6s cool down on SYG (counting Enduring). And since both GftE and Fall Back both end when you attack, you don't get 100% IAS unless you're chaining FGJ and SYG-in which case if you're paying that much attention, why not just use AR+a quick recharge chant/shout? That way you have 100% IAS uncondtionally and all you need to do is hit that one skill every couple of sec.

The Meth · Jun 30, 2008, 07:44 PM // 19:44

Hitting shouts on recharge is too hard for you? Dang, in that case you must not even be able to run ursan very well. Maybe a P/Mo with mending is all you are qualified to run.

toastgodsupreme · Jun 30, 2008, 07:59 PM // 19:59

I can't even think of a class/build that you should play if you can't keep AR up.

I mean, paras are almost as simple as Ursan.

1. Bring up AR
2. C+Space
3. Spam SY + TNTF
4. Repeat steps 1 and 2 over and over
5. Win

Really, there's no easier way to win at pve. Basically your team can do whatever the hell they want with you spamming those two skills.

But that's too hard for you. Oh, maybe you can play the Sims. Might be more your speed. Just don't let them start a fire in the kitchen!

romeus petrus · Jun 30, 2008, 09:53 PM // 21:53

You have [Save Yourselves] and [There's Nothing To Fear] 2 of the most overpowered skills in the game. Spamming them should be enough to keep your [aggressive refrain] up. Make a build around that, oh wait here it is clicky.

Panais · Jun 30, 2008, 10:08 PM // 22:08

u do know if u spam TNTF u can keep AR up forever right

Improvavel · Jul 01, 2008, 04:29 AM // 04:29

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Originally Posted by Rhamia Darigaz

edit: also, tanking's bad

But body blocking is good

. But cracked doesn't matter there either and if you have an hero mm, he will be casting extinguish anyway.

Cebe · Jul 01, 2008, 07:28 AM // 07:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holy Chanter

AR gives you cracked armor and it takes 2 much energy and 2 much of thinking :P

so i made this

[Holy Chanter's Skills;OQGjUqmLqS+iWYmYtbXF1Y5i7YA]

yeey meeee

what i do i use 8, rush with group to mobs than 3,4,5,7 and spam atack 1 and buff with 2 go for the eyes its also good in full party for energy maintain when 5 goes out i use 3,4,6,7 when all dead 8 yeeeehaaaaaaaaa :P

That build will probably get your through PvE and to the end of the game.

I would suggest a few changes. Use [["There's Nothing to Fear!"] instead of "Stand Your Ground!" for a start...it's better party support than "SYG!" and as Rhamia Darigaz says, unlike "SYG!" it does not discourage kiting.

Perhaps remove the Ebon Vanguard standard for [["Save Yourselves!" (Luxon)], and [["Fall BacK!"] for something like [[Merciless Spear]. Paragons have the ability to cause Deep Wound from range - seems silly not to take advantage of that. One final thing. Consider swapping [["Go For The Eyes!"] for something like [[Anthem of Weariness]...since you don't need to critical for Vicious Attack there's no reason why you couldn't spread weakness instead.

[[Aggressive Refrain] is amazing since itis basically a free IAS for the entire time you need it. If you don't want to keep it up then I guess that's just your play-style then there's nothing anyone else can really say here to convince you imo.

[Paragon;OQGoMBSQFYmUwJUyoJ5LOkF+Zi1udVAEK6B]

Just a few ideas really...

Desert Rose · Jul 01, 2008, 07:38 AM // 07:38

If you want to use Soldier's Fury instead of AR try this build:

Spear 12 +1 +1
Leader 11 +1
Command 6 +1 (for shield)

[Save Yourselves (kurzick)] [There's Nothing to Fear] [Enduring Harmony] [For Great Justice] [Soldier's Fury]

In the worst case, you will be five out of forty-five seconds left without an IAS.

Racthoh · Jul 01, 2008, 07:41 AM // 07:41

After you use Soldier's Fury 6 times you've spent more energy than Aggressive Refrain. +4 leadership helms are great for that first aggy cast also.

cellardweller · Jul 01, 2008, 08:00 AM // 08:00

As a fellow non-imbagon user I sympathise with the OP. There are very few shouts outsided tntf to keep refrains going between fights.

[anthem of flame] This is pretty much your only option in the 4 man areas because of the lack of leadership energy. At the same time, its 1 second cast makes it totally unwieldy.

[They're on fire] This is the shout of choice when running with h/h. I've found that when runnign with 2 people+6heroes its energy cost can be a little high because of how often it only hits you and your 3 heroes while moving between battles.

My solution:
[flail] The adrenaline that this drains is counter productive in a the imbagon build, however for most adr/energy balance build dropping 1a every 5 seconds is not a big deal.

odly · Jul 01, 2008, 08:21 AM // 08:21

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Originally Posted by cellardweller

[flail] The adrenaline that this drains is counter productive in a the imbagon build, however for most adr/energy balance build dropping 1a every 5 seconds is not a big deal.

It'll cost you just as much adrenalin as you're gaining by attacking faster.
So it's basically a wasted skillslot.
There really is no alternative that comes even close to being as good as AR.

I love how a these flamebait threads are created by OP's who have never posted before.
Keeping the forum's alive artificially are we ?