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-Reaver- · Sep 01, 2008, 11:27 PM // 23:27

Hey guys, new here, and new to Paragons. Be gentle, please :P

Now, I'm running a spear master build, it's not the greatest but I don't have a lot unlocked and I don't have EOTN, so my choices are a bit limited.

Anyway, enough of me trying to excuses about too bad to keep up Aggressive Refrain. Question is: if I'm having trouble keeping up Aggressive Refrain, is Flail a good/better choice to get IAS? The speed decrease isn't fun, but I'd like to not lose -20 armor either.

Thanks,
Reaver

isamu kurosawa · Sep 01, 2008, 11:31 PM // 23:31

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Originally Posted by -Reaver-

Hey guys, new here, and new to Paragons. Be gentle, please :P

Now, I'm running a spear master build, it's not the greatest but I don't have a lot unlocked and I don't have EOTN, so my choices are a bit limited.

Anyway, enough of me trying to excuses about too bad to keep up Aggressive Refrain. Question is: if I'm having trouble keeping up Aggressive Refrain, is Flail a good/better choice to get IAS? The speed decrease isn't fun, but I'd like to not lose -20 armor either.

Thanks,
Reaver

Nope. If you have trouble keeping up refrain then practice. Others can do it and it isn't difficult. You just need to get into the habbit of using your trigger chant/shout on recharge.

Also, if in PvE take a sup leadership helm to switch to when using refrain then swap back after you cast it. You will end up with a longer lasting refrain which is much easier to keep up.

-Reaver- · Sep 01, 2008, 11:34 PM // 23:34

Alright, thanks for the helm idea, I'm currently using a +20 or so staff to get off shots when I'm low on energy.

What are the popular anthems to keep it up? I see Flame mostly, any other good ones?

angmar_nite · Sep 01, 2008, 11:35 PM // 23:35

Weariness is nice, but if you got good micromanagement you can just do it with TNTF and save the slot.

Monk Gsb · Sep 01, 2008, 11:42 PM // 23:42

flail > agressive any day (unless u need your 2nd prof for somthing else).

only smart ppl run away from para's that use flail, and there are non of them left in gw's

-Reaver- · Sep 01, 2008, 11:47 PM // 23:47

Currently got [and this is a PVP char with very little unlocks, mind you]

Cruel Spear, Spear of Lightning, Barbed Spear, Blazing Spear, Anthem of Flame, Fall Back, Aggressive Refrain, Resurrection Signet / Leader's Comfort [changing based on AB or RA]

Plan on swapping out Blazing Spear for something, since Anthem of Flame is already spreading Burning like the plague in a high physical group. Any ideas what to swap it out for?

Also, how do I make my skills show up with tooltips and icons? Anyone mind directing me to a thread on how to do it?

Thanks again.

Tyla · Sep 01, 2008, 11:49 PM // 23:49

Aggressive Refrain. Flail takes 1 adrenaline from all your other skills and AR is a one time use skill.

Grugio · Sep 01, 2008, 11:55 PM // 23:55

And you get a certain amount of mobility with aggressive that flail doesn't have....

Richardt · Sep 02, 2008, 12:07 AM // 00:07

As for mobility-it only plays a factor if you get hit with AoE. For attacking you're a ranged unit-you'd barely have to move.

Tyla · Sep 02, 2008, 12:32 AM // 00:32

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Originally Posted by Grugio

And you get a certain amount of mobility with aggressive that flail doesn't have....

As Richard said, mobility isn't much of a factor when it comes to Paragons.

IllusiveMind · Sep 02, 2008, 12:33 AM // 00:33

You can bind/micromanage Shout skills from other heroes on your mouse keys. I.E. [["watch yourself], [["the power is yours"], [[anthem of flame], [[anthem of weariness], [["fall back]. That's what I do when running Paraway. Helps me keep Aggressive Refrain with no energy problems.

Accursed · Sep 02, 2008, 12:35 AM // 00:35

[[aggressive refrain]. It's just wow compared to [[Flail].

-Reaver- · Sep 02, 2008, 01:41 AM // 01:41

So er... what's the final verdict?

Rhamia Darigaz · Sep 02, 2008, 01:51 AM // 01:51

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Originally Posted by -Reaver-

So er... what's the final verdict?

after reading the thread(!) it looks like the final verdict is aggressive refrain.
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joshuarodger · Sep 02, 2008, 01:54 AM // 01:54

aggressive refrain. just try and stay out of melee.

skill icons: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10277633

-Reaver- · Sep 02, 2008, 02:10 AM // 02:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by joshuarodger

aggressive refrain. just try and stay out of melee.

skill icons: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10277633

Thanks for the help on both parts. Currently I'm using ["Fall Back!"] to get out of melee, any better alternatives?

snaek · Sep 02, 2008, 02:15 AM // 02:15

its not jus that [aggressive refrain] is better than [flail]

its that [flail] is bad and shouldnt even be an option on a para primary

first off, u have to hit sumptin 4 times before u can even get into teh ias
second, it doesnt last that long...

a 0spec flail lasts 5secs
and gives u ~1.3s attack speed
to recharge flail again u need to attack 4 times
thats ~5.2s

so it'll jus barely jus last long nuff until u cast it again

and that is -if- u dun use any chants
if u use any chant/echo/etc wit a cast time
ur ias will be gone before u kno it, and u'll have to recharge it again

not to mention ur eating up adren that could go to other useful skills

-Reaver- · Sep 02, 2008, 02:28 AM // 02:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by snaek

its not jus that [aggressive refrain] is better than [flail]

its that [flail] is bad and shouldnt even be an option on a para primary

first off, u have to hit sumptin 4 times before u can even get into teh ias
second, it doesnt last that long...

a 0spec flail lasts 5secs
and gives u ~1.3s attack speed
to recharge flail again u need to attack 4 times
thats ~5.2s

so it'll jus barely jus last long nuff until u cast it again

and that is -if- u dun use any chants
if u use any chant/echo/etc wit a cast time
ur ias will be gone before u kno it, and u'll have to recharge it again

not to mention ur eating up adren that could go to other useful skills

Alright, thanks for the help. Using Aggressive Refrain now, works great when I spam Anthem of Flame. Using Fall Back if I get into a tricky spot with melee, so it's balancing out nicely. I just saw a lot of warriors using it for IAS and it seemed like a lot better alternative to the 25 energy 2 second cast time on Aggressive.

Richardt · Sep 02, 2008, 04:25 AM // 04:25

But keep in mind that AR is essentially infinite-if you're good you only have to use it once (unless you screw up

).

I like using Flail on my warrior, but when I tried it on my paragon I didn't care for it. Hitting it every 5s was a pain.

odly · Sep 02, 2008, 06:02 AM // 06:02

Essence of Celerity beats both as an ias in the game and it doesn't take a skill slot.