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Anwyn · Mar 03, 2009, 08:02 AM // 08:02

Heya guys…

I wanted to know what you all thought of my DoA Imbagon build… Any suggestions or things I may change for it? I mostly run heroway with a Warrior buddy…

[Spear of Lightning][Lightbringers Gaze][Save Yourselves][Theres Nothing to Fear][Focused Anger][For Great Justice][Fall Back][Signet of Return]

Obv, spear of lightning is used in moderation as energy allows, lightbringer sig I spam on recharge in big groups as it’s impossible to tie a rupt with it’s 1s cast time…

So, crit, suggest…

I Will Heal You Ally · Mar 03, 2009, 08:50 AM // 08:50

Instead of Fall back! bring IAS... that 25e thing

Anwyn · Mar 03, 2009, 09:03 AM // 09:03

The concern here is the -20 armor I get from it, DoA foes hit very hard... Also, U dont always have the 15E to spam TNTF on recharge to keep it up, so u loose it quiet often. Fall back has it's use when facing near wipe situations, it helps the majority get out of the way... Also use it when facing that giant thingy at the end of Veil, when you kill a big claw thingy and multi enemies spawn, helps party get away so tank can do his job...

I dont have issues pamming SY, even without an IAS...

sthpaw · Mar 03, 2009, 09:17 AM // 09:17

if IAS is important to you consider drunken master and take out lb gaze, as you main role is to prot the team, with cons i dont use any IAS as you will be doing 20% so i leave lb gaze on.

Anwyn · Mar 03, 2009, 10:06 AM // 10:06

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Originally Posted by sthpaw

if IAS is important to you consider drunken master and take out lb gaze, as you main role is to prot the team, with cons i dont use any IAS as you will be doing 20% so i leave lb gaze on.

It is, just not enough for -20 armor... Drunken Master seems like a good choice, sept I'd need to bring alot of booaze with me, hehehehe... We do it without cons, unless is HM, then we use all 3... I'll try out DM tonight, the only benefit of IAS I see is more SY spam which will help with more nrg... Good one...

Zidane Ortef · Mar 03, 2009, 01:15 PM // 13:15

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Originally Posted by Anwyn

The concern here is the -20 armor I get from it, DoA foes hit very hard... Also, U dont always have the 15E to spam TNTF on recharge to keep it up, so u loose it quiet often. Fall back has it's use when facing near wipe situations, it helps the majority get out of the way... Also use it when facing that giant thingy at the end of Veil, when you kill a big claw thingy and multi enemies spawn, helps party get away so tank can do his job...

I dont have issues pamming SY, even without an IAS...

Hmm. I have a few things to say.

If your attributes are setup right and you are spamming SY! there is no possible way you should be running out of energy on a paragon. As for the -20 armor on Aggressive Refrain. Think about the what else you already have,

You should be using Centurion's Insignia's on all five pieces of your armor that will give you +10 armor while under a shout, Echo, or chant. Aggressive Refrain is an Echo it can't be stripped. So with that you have already knocked the -20 to a -10.

Now add your shield to that mess and depending on you shield Q7 Al 15 is the command is the best choice for a paragon so you can run your attributes like this

12+1+1 Spear Mastery
11+1 Leadership
6+1 Command

or

12+1+1 Leadership
11+1 Spear Mastery
6+1 Command

I prefer the second one it gives you 7 energy back when you shout/chant and gives you 1 more second on TNTF!

Back to the shield with the armor 15 shield you no have an overall +5 bonus to your base armor rating of 80.

With SY! and TNTF! up with a downtime of 9 seconds, if you take a few hits your healers will be able to handle healing you because nobody else will be taking a significant amount of damage to begin with.

Hope this helps if your not using cons then you should always Aggressive Refrain on your bar.

P.S. If you don't have a Q7 command AL 15 shield you will have to drop Spear Master down one point and bump command up to 8+1 for you Q9 shield.

Carboplatin · Mar 03, 2009, 02:29 PM // 14:29

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Originally Posted by Anwyn

Heya guys…

I wanted to know what you all thought of my DoA Imbagon build… Any suggestions or things I may change for it? I mostly run heroway with a Warrior buddy…

[Spear of Lightning][Lightbringers Gaze][Save Yourselves][Theres Nothing to Fear][Focused Anger][For Great Justice][Fall Back][Signet of Return]

Obv, spear of lightning is used in moderation as energy allows, lightbringer sig I spam on recharge in big groups as it’s impossible to tie a rupt with it’s 1s cast time…

So, crit, suggest…

IF you use cons, you can take out [For Great Justice] since [Focused Anger] will recharge just in time to keep it up 100% of the time.

TheodenKing · Mar 03, 2009, 05:02 PM // 17:02

Use an IAS regardless of what anyone else tells you. -20 armor from [aggressive refrain] can be a good thing for a couple reasons...

1. As long as you aren't dying, you want them attacking you instead of your monks.
2. You gain adrenaline from getting hit... so see #1

But if you are more conservative, bring a condition removal in your party.

Anime Divine · Mar 03, 2009, 05:16 PM // 17:16

if you want to keep up agressive refrain u need some shout
as for me i am able to keep ar up all the times with FGJ and go for the eyes/ watch yourself

as for fall back the only reason i prefer it on my bar is to escape fast if things are escalating.

as said your job is to protect the team so no need to bring damaging skills
only if you can absolutely sure you can keep sy up all the time.

Bobby2 · Mar 03, 2009, 05:23 PM // 17:23

AR has no downsides. My Necro heroes love [foul feast]ing it for either [infuse condition] or [plague sending].

Calista Blackblood · Mar 03, 2009, 05:39 PM // 17:39

[aggressive refrain] is too good to not take,and any decent team will have condition removal anyway.. What other IAS can you cast and maintain for hours through just regular skill spam?

[spear of fury]helps a hell of a lot of you have the conditions to fulfil it.

MasterSasori · Mar 03, 2009, 06:34 PM // 18:34

[Aggressive Refrain] is a must in an Imbagon bar. As many people stated before, the main role of Imbagon is to keep the SY up, and its not possible without IAS. The cracked armor can be a pain in the rear, but its better than a 5 second hole between SY.

If you are adamant about not using AR, consider [flail]. Imbagon can work around its downside fairly well and with FA and FGJ, you should be able to keep it up well.

Do you know for sure that Lightbringer's Gaze is better than Ebon Standard of Honor?

code1101 · Mar 03, 2009, 08:34 PM // 20:34

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Originally Posted by Calista BlackBlood

[spear of fury]helps a hell of a lot of you have the conditions to fulfil it.

[anthem of flame] + [spear of fury] = instant [save yourselves] under [focused anger]

also I thought that in doa using [lightbringer signet] would be justified.

as for the cracked armor thing ... I hardly see it on me since my heroes remove it almost immediatly.

Lishy · Mar 03, 2009, 08:49 PM // 20:49

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Originally Posted by code1101

[anthem of flame] + [spear of fury] = instant [save yourselves] under [focused anger]

also I thought that in doa using [lightbringer signet] would be justified.

as for the cracked armor thing ... I hardly see it on me since my heroes remove it almost immediatly.

Wrong.

[anthem of weariness] + [spear of fury] = instant [save yourselves] under [focused anger]

Flame applies after SoR. Weariness applies before.

Nightow · Mar 03, 2009, 09:17 PM // 21:17

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

Wrong.

[anthem of weariness] + [spear of fury] = instant [save yourselves] under [focused anger]

Flame applies after SoR. Weariness applies before.

I always wondered why it's been like that but meh, I guess they have their reasons why one anthem works so well with SoF and another doesn't.

Question, is it common for an imbagon in DoA to bring [Ebon Battle Standard of Honor]? I have r5 on mine and found it useful in some HM areas.

Carboplatin · Mar 03, 2009, 09:24 PM // 21:24

and if you use cons, you won't need [aggressive refrain] as you get a free IAS, tho you could bring [drunken master] for a +33%

and IMO, any shouts that requires a cast time is a waste, it takes away from you gaining adrenaline. [ebon battle standard of honor] is a good choice, as long as your team knows u know it.

MasterSasori · Mar 03, 2009, 09:42 PM // 21:42

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Originally Posted by Nightow

I always wondered why it's been like that but meh, I guess they have their reasons why one anthem works so well with SoF and another doesn't.

Question, is it common for an imbagon in DoA to bring [Ebon Battle Standard of Honor]? I have r5 on mine and found it useful in some HM areas.

I'm not sure whether EbSoH can rival Lightbringer's Gaze, but even at low levels, it's pretty darn powerful, especially with MM and fast/multiple source of damage.

Anthem of Weariness is so much better than Anthem of Flame is in HM. The condition also last longer so you can use stuff like Stunning Strike and Disrupting Strike to better effect. The damage mitigation is good, and is Para's enfeebling blood.

code1101 · Mar 04, 2009, 05:52 AM // 05:52

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

Wrong.

[anthem of weariness] + [spear of fury] = instant [save yourselves] under [focused anger]

Flame applies after SoR. Weariness applies before.

thought the same thing also so when I started my Imbagon I went to the isle of the namless and tested it there ... I know it doesn't make sense since the burnning doesn't happen until you use a skill but the result says a different thing:

[aggressive refrain] --> [anthem of flame] --> [focused anger] --> [spear of fury] = instant [save yourselves]

or maybe I was dreaming :P

Anwyn · Mar 04, 2009, 06:34 AM // 06:34

Wow guys, thanks for the replies...

It seems that alot of you are missing the point that this is for DoA! One dude commented saying that I want the monsters to be hitting me, not my monks, This is wrong... I want them to be hitting my warrior tank! not me... But they do hit me, and DoA monsters hit very hard!

Alot of people have made some really good suggestions, most of them I use in general PVE and HM play... But, this is DoA, things are slightly different...

To keep AR up all the time you need TNTF and GFTE... And GFtE is a wasted slot in DoA, who needs another 50% chance to crit hen there are only 2 physicals and most damage comes from discord...

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Originally Posted by Zidane Ortef

12+1+1 Leadership
11+1 Spear Mastery
6+1 Command

P.S. If you don't have a Q7 command AL 15 shield you will have to drop Spear Master down one point and bump command up to 8+1 for you Q9 shield.

This seems like a good suggestion on attribs, gonna try it... And yeah, I have the sheild...

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Originally Posted by R Langdon

IF you use cons, you can take out [For Great Justice] since [Focused Anger] will recharge just in time to keep it up 100% of the time.

We try not to use cons in NM, but I'm sure we'll be attempting HM soon too, and they help then..

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

AR has no downsides. My Necro heroes love [foul feast]ing it for either [infuse condition] or [plague sending].

Bobby, you always got good suggestion, but you run this in DoA?

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Originally Posted by Calista BlackBlood

IAS can you cast and maintain for hours through just regular skill spam?

Not in DoA you can't... You loose it all the time...

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Originally Posted by MasterSasori

Do you know for sure that Lightbringer's Gaze is better than Ebon Standard of Honor?

Most def, when the foes are bunched I get 100-120 damage + interupts to 6 foes...

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Originally Posted by Nightow

Question, is it common for an imbagon in DoA to bring [Ebon Battle Standard of Honor]? I have r5 on mine and found it useful in some HM areas.

In DoA I feel its a waste, LB sig is better. IMO

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Originally Posted by R Langdon

and if you use cons, you won't need [aggressive refrain] as you get a free IAS, tho you could bring [drunken master] for a +33%

I was thinking of trying this out tonight and bringing a bit of booze with me... Will see how it goes...

FoxBat · Mar 04, 2009, 06:40 AM // 06:40

The most important thing for DoA para is actually [Peace and Harmony] ...on a human monk. Not only will this take care of your cracked armor, but also the numerous anti-physical hexes and conditions that will stop your adrenaline gain, which will in turn lead to the death of your party. Just have the monk maintain that on you, and you'll do well.

If all your healers are heroway, there's some way to set them up to handle hexes. You can even have a monk hero with PnH disabled and you just manually hit that on yourself on recharge.

And the IAS ought to fix your energy problems, more (even excessive) SY spam = more energy. It's odd that you should even need LB sig on an imba (though you listed LB gaze in the icon.)