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NickyKK22 · Feb 28, 2010, 05:14 AM // 05:14

I just started playing as a Paragon and it is time for me to choose my secondary profession and i was wondering which is the "best". I mean works the best with para and the chants.

I have heard that P/R is good for the poison arrows and incendiary because they work with spears.

I have also heard that P/W is good

Also P/E is good i have heard.

I just want to know and i am confused on what i should do.

Thanks

Shrike942 · Feb 28, 2010, 06:51 AM // 06:51

I've always heard P/W is best because the Warrior skills and Paragon skills have good synergy since they both use adrenaline. Also, the Warrior skill, "For Great Justice!" is great for building adrenaline.

Sparkmaster25 · Feb 28, 2010, 07:01 AM // 07:01

Warrior is probably the best secondary for Paragon even with the recent nerf to the Imbagon, its still the only real viable build for Paragon.

ac1inferno · Feb 28, 2010, 04:09 PM // 16:09

Definitely /W for Imbagon:

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Originally Posted by PvXwiki

[build prof=P/W spe=11+1+1 comma=8+1 lea=11+1][Optional][Optional]["Save Yourselves!" (Kurzick)]["There's Nothing to Fear!"][Ebon Battle Standard of Honor]["For Great Justice!"][Focused Anger][Aggressive Refrain][/build]

Optionals:

- Add [[Spear of Lightning] for good attack skill for general use.
- Add [[Swift Javelin] if running in team with orders/aegis chains etc.
- Add [["Go For The Eyes!"] for greater energy management. (The additional damage is insignificant against high-level foes.)
- Add [[Anthem of Flame] or [[Anthem of Weariness] to keep up AR outside of battle as well as provide additional damage or defense.
- Add [["We Shall Return!"] and [[Blazing Spear] (Replace Blazing Spear for [[Merciless Spear] if fighting Destroyers or Fire Elementals)
- Swap [[Ebon Battle Standard of Honor] for [[Spear of Fury] for adrenaline instead of damage buffing.
- Against Demons in Nightfall, take [[Lightbringer Signet] for instantly charged "SY!" and energy management.

Other reasons:

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Originally Posted by GuildWiki

- [["For Great Justice!" (PvE)] is an unlinked non-elite alternative to [[Focused Anger], which can be useful to get adrenaline. When using both simultaneously, with enough ranks in leadership, a player can have double the adrenaline in PvE permanently.
- Shouts such as [["Watch Yourself!" (PvE)] are effective for energy management and triggering echoes and "chorus" chants.
- [["Coward!"] can be used with the fast adrenaline gain of the Paragon.
- [["Save Yourselves!"] is a very useful party support skill, especially used in conjunction with [["There's Nothing to Fear!"].
- Many warrior shouts, skills, and stances synergize with paragon echoes, shouts, and chants, such as [[Soldier's Strike]
- It should be noted that paragons can affect more allies with their shouts and chants from a mid-party position, so it is advisable to use a spear over melee weaponry.

There's not too much reason to go /R or /E, but if you want to:

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Originally Posted by GuildWiki

==Paragon/Ranger==
- Shouts and chants that affect allies also affect pets
- Beast Mastery shouts will benefit from Leadership, though they will only affect one ally and the energy return will reflect this.
- [[Poison Tip Signet] and [[Apply Poison] work well for spreading conditions to trigger skills such as [[Disrupting Throw], although not with the first throw.

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Originally Posted by GuildWiki

==Paragon/Elementalist==
- The conjure skills, such as [[Conjure Lightning] can provide additional damage when wielding an elemental weapon for a very small investment of attribute points.

NickyKK22 · Mar 02, 2010, 10:19 PM // 22:19

what is a imbagon? I have heard of those but i have no idea what they are

Thanks for the posts guys

ac1inferno · Mar 03, 2010, 01:02 AM // 01:02

Imbagon is basically a Paragon build that keeps up [["Save Yourselves!"] for constant damage reduction to your party along with PvE-only skill [["There's Nothing to Fear!"] while dealing decent damage with spear. Its the build that I have posted.

MasterSasori · Mar 05, 2010, 03:10 AM // 03:10

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Originally Posted by NickyKK22

what is a imbagon? I have heard of those but i have no idea what they are

Thanks for the posts guys

"Save yourselves!"
"For Great Justice!"
"There's nothing to Fear!"
Ebon Battle Standard of Honor
Focused Anger
Aggressive Refrain
Optional
Optional

Optional can be Spear of Fury, GftE, Rez, Spear attack of some sort ect.

Ney Matogrosso · Mar 09, 2010, 02:05 PM // 14:05

A lot of time that I didn't play GW and see modifications on the 2 basic skills from Imbagon, Aggressive Refrain and Soldier's Fury, both give -20 armor. Anyone playing feel significant dificult using this skills or the -20 armor doens't be great difference? With really the -20 armor is a problem, I tryed to use a long time aggo, change Aggressive Refrain by Drunken Master, take off Ebon battle stand and put another skill, a little bit slow, but efficient specially runing 3 Necro Discord. Like I sad, a long time I don't play GW, but I like to know if the nerf was a significant problem.

Axel Zinfandel · Mar 09, 2010, 09:32 PM // 21:32

the -20 armor is fine. It doesn't kill AR at all. You're still pretty hefty, You still have over 80 armor as a backline class. If you're dieing because of AR, you're doing something very wrong.

/W is pretty much the only real synergy paragons have, so definitely go with that.

Khomet Si Netjer · Mar 10, 2010, 02:02 AM // 02:02

re: Aggressive Refrain, Soldier's Fury...
In my opinion the -20 armor can be a problem sometimes. When you are with a normal group it is not important since even with the -20 armor penalty you still have higher armor than anyone but warriors. However, when you are running Save Yourselves everyone else gets +100 armor and enemies tend to focus on you. This is when the -20 armor matters, since 76 armor in hardmode doesn't seem like very much, and 56 armor (if you have cracked armor thrown on) is definitely going to hurt.

Some will say that it still doesn't matter, and that would be true if you have some other means to keep enemies from focusing fire on you such as spirits and minions. In that case you won't notice any armor penalty since nothing targets you anyway. I have certainly run into some cases where it does matter though... e.g. -626 from Irresitible Blow from the Indestructible Golem (warrior boss) in Oola's Lab. That is one hit from a hardmode boss vs. paragon armor. O_o

I like Aggressive Refrain and Soldier's Fury much better now, I still think the -20 armor penalty is needless paragon hate (especially in PvE) but at least there isn't any cracked armor covering more important conditions and heroes and henchmen don't waste time removing cracked armor any more. If you feel that the -20 armor penalty is a problem I'd suggest rock candy or pumpkin pie to get permanent IAS and other benefits with no drawbacks, that way you can use the skill slot for something else.

WarcryOfTruth · Mar 12, 2010, 03:44 AM // 03:44

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Originally Posted by Sparkmaster25

Warrior is probably the best secondary for Paragon even with the recent nerf to the Imbagon, its still the only real viable build for Paragon.

I find this funny. Coming from someone who basically does nothing but play a Paragon, I can strongly disagree with you. I run a build that, though is not as mitigating as running an Imbagon build, does a similar effect - mitigate damage. The difference is, I can actually tank using the build I use. But, there are several viable paragon builds out there, you just have to use that 'ol noggin to figure em out. I solo farm on mine, I run to Droknar's Forge and all over Eye of the North, and I can even play a battery very well. Hell, I've even played an SF nuker before. It's all about figuring out synergy and learning what works together across professions. You want some paragon builds? PM me your IGN and I will be happy to share a few of the ones I have. But, no, the Imbagon build is not the only good build a Paragon can use.

Edit: Jeez, after reading this thread closer, three of you stated that /W is the only way to go. And if I knew how to put multiple quotes into a single message without double or triple posting, I'd have quoted them all. I am surprised how narrow minded a lot of you guys are. I mean no disrespect, and if I offend, I apologize, but it seems that you guys only see what works and think nothing else does. Being a Paragon lover for 2 and a half years, I feel that I have enough experience playing one to know how to effectively use one outside of Imbagoning. I have not used that build in almost a year, and parties I participate in still do just as well without it. Hard Mode, Normal Mode, no matter what we're doing, a Paragon does NOT have to use an Imbagon build to be effective.

Infanta · Apr 24, 2010, 07:33 PM // 19:33

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Originally Posted by WarcryOfTruth

I find this funny. Coming from someone who basically does nothing but play a Paragon, I can strongly disagree with you. I run a build that, though is not as mitigating as running an Imbagon build, does a similar effect - mitigate damage. The difference is, I can actually tank using the build I use. But, there are several viable paragon builds out there, you just have to use that 'ol noggin to figure em out. I solo farm on mine, I run to Droknar's Forge and all over Eye of the North, and I can even play a battery very well. Hell, I've even played an SF nuker before. It's all about figuring out synergy and learning what works together across professions. You want some paragon builds? PM me your IGN and I will be happy to share a few of the ones I have. But, no, the Imbagon build is not the only good build a Paragon can use.

Edit: Jeez, after reading this thread closer, three of you stated that /W is the only way to go. And if I knew how to put multiple quotes into a single message without double or triple posting, I'd have quoted them all. I am surprised how narrow minded a lot of you guys are. I mean no disrespect, and if I offend, I apologize, but it seems that you guys only see what works and think nothing else does. Being a Paragon lover for 2 and a half years, I feel that I have enough experience playing one to know how to effectively use one outside of Imbagoning. I have not used that build in almost a year, and parties I participate in still do just as well without it. Hard Mode, Normal Mode, no matter what we're doing, a Paragon does NOT have to use an Imbagon build to be effective.

Oh yea well I solo'd UW in 10 minutes and got 900 ectos!!!

Less talk, more posting of this awesome build of yours.

Cuilan · Apr 25, 2010, 12:00 AM // 00:00

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:P/A_Dagger_Spammer
Paragon dagger spammer that gives your party a fairly constant extra pip of energy, so /A is possible.

I was once run to Droks by a P/Me paragon.

byteme! · Apr 30, 2010, 04:30 PM // 16:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarcryOfTruth

I find this funny. Coming from someone who basically does nothing but play a Paragon, I can strongly disagree with you. I run a build that, though is not as mitigating as running an Imbagon build, does a similar effect - mitigate damage. The difference is, I can actually tank using the build I use. But, there are several viable paragon builds out there, you just have to use that 'ol noggin to figure em out. I solo farm on mine, I run to Droknar's Forge and all over Eye of the North, and I can even play a battery very well. Hell, I've even played an SF nuker before. It's all about figuring out synergy and learning what works together across professions. You want some paragon builds? PM me your IGN and I will be happy to share a few of the ones I have. But, no, the Imbagon build is not the only good build a Paragon can use.

Edit: Jeez, after reading this thread closer, three of you stated that /W is the only way to go. And if I knew how to put multiple quotes into a single message without double or triple posting, I'd have quoted them all. I am surprised how narrow minded a lot of you guys are. I mean no disrespect, and if I offend, I apologize, but it seems that you guys only see what works and think nothing else does. Being a Paragon lover for 2 and a half years, I feel that I have enough experience playing one to know how to effectively use one outside of Imbagoning. I have not used that build in almost a year, and parties I participate in still do just as well without it. Hard Mode, Normal Mode, no matter what we're doing, a Paragon does NOT have to use an Imbagon build to be effective.

Your wall of text was a waste of time. Read the title. OP asked for the "BEST" secondary for a Paragon not alternatives. I repeat "BEST". When someone asks for the "BEST" option and users reply what is commonly known as the "BEST" option it's not considered narrow minded. Unless Imbagons get raped with the nerf bat in the near future, P/W (emphasis on the */W) remains the "BEST" secondary choice for a primary Paragon. If you even need to argue over this....................nvm I rest my case.

PS. The above posters did not mean */W was the ONLY way to go. You somehow came to that conclusion yourself. They offered the "BEST" option not the ONLY option. I've mentioned the word "BEST" many times now. Has it sunk in yet? Does the term Imbalanced Paragon (Imbagon) mean anything to you?