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Khomet Si Netjer · Mar 03, 2011, 04:45 PM // 16:45

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User:...Stance_Imbagon

discuss.

Kaida the Heartless · Mar 03, 2011, 05:08 PM // 17:08

Uh... "There's Nothing to Fear!"... where is it?

Rites · Mar 03, 2011, 05:45 PM // 17:45

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Originally Posted by Kaida the Heartless

Uh... "There's Nothing to Fear!"... where is it?

from what i've seen of khomet's builds... he dont seem to care for it, and i have used a few of his builds as baselines for my own paragon, and his builds have been pretty good even without TNtF

as for OP... looks interesting

Sabres Phoenix · Mar 03, 2011, 05:45 PM // 17:45

Let's not start ragging on it cos it doesn't have a skill that isn't technically needed. TnTF was not available when HM stuff came out, and we all did fine then. It gives as good a use of SY as the "standard" imbagon, and if you are really that bothered aboutthe damage reduction a prot monk or even a ST rit will suffice. The build will knock out decent damage (for a para), and the fact that you get a 75% block means the para will be less of a worry while the rest of the party will have the +100 armour.
I have been tinkering around with a Soldier's Stance build and got pretty much the same.
It makes a change to have a IAS without the penalties i normally have to put up with.

idril isildra · Mar 03, 2011, 06:07 PM // 18:07

i rather like it!
maybe switch out one of the spear attacks for TnTF to take care of the requirements of dwarven stance

Sabres Phoenix · Mar 03, 2011, 06:19 PM // 18:19

why? to the limit outlasts it on its own.
I may be tempted to drop wild throw out in areas with less blocking stances, and put "gfte" in to help with energy and to give the odd dmg boost

TalanRoarer · Mar 03, 2011, 06:43 PM // 18:43

Played it, it's nice. (Slight variant on your build though.)

Still prefer the "Classical" imbagon, but then I don't play Para much anymore

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Khomet Si Netjer · Mar 04, 2011, 04:40 PM // 16:40

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Originally Posted by Kaida the Heartless

Uh... "There's Nothing to Fear!"... where is it?

SY gives +100 armor to everyone else which translates to 87.5% damage reduction for all armor-affected damage. It also doubles as energy management for the paragon because of Leadership.

TNTF gives 35% damage resistance 50% of the time @ 12 leadership. If it were maintainable it would be more attractive but it still pales in comparison to SY in my opinion. Usually I choose to slot a different PvE skill instead. SY is where the big defense comes from, not TNTF.

I understand that some people really like TNTF but hopefully this explains my reasoning and why I don't use it much.

Tender Care · Mar 05, 2011, 02:36 PM // 14:36

I tried it out farming in UW with another imba friend just for epicness of clearing labyrinth with 2 paras. It works great in areas where u get a lot of attacks.

Counters: stance removal.....in elite areas, many foes got unblockable skills which makes this build dangerous to rely on imo...

Anyway it has a great synergy in team mainly composed by meeles....

NerfHerder · Mar 05, 2011, 05:12 PM // 17:12

I would rather have Soldiers Fury if I am going to use an Elite. That way you can invest more into Leadership, for more energy gain to spam attack skills. -20 AR is not a big deal. Stand your ground is practically maintainable, and more than makes up for the AR loss, if thats what your concerned with.

Kunder · Mar 05, 2011, 05:32 PM // 17:32

The one benefit to TNTF is that it protects from armor-ignoring damage. Its good to have to have for things like fe Energy Surge spamming groups when they all go for the initial spike. Otherwise, its a bit meh. Since SY doesn't lower armor ignoring damage, in most cases it probably averages out to around 60-70% damage reduction. That's still far better than TNTF, especially since it can be kept up nearly 24/7.

Build looks good otherwise. If you don't need the stance removal, Slayer's Spear works well for higher level enemies, else Spear of Lightning is most likely your best option.

Kaida the Heartless · Mar 05, 2011, 09:43 PM // 21:43

So weird. I always thought "TNTF!" was for the opening attack since you wouldn't have adren yet. To each his own I suppose.

Rites · Mar 06, 2011, 03:19 AM // 03:19

lol, kaida you should check out some of khomets other para builds, some of them allow for SY to be up practically instantaneously when you get into battle. and once SY is up, his builds are made to keep it up constantly.

he and i might not agree on the role of paragons, but i have to give khomet props on his para builds, they have all been quite good in my opinion

Chthon · Mar 06, 2011, 07:58 AM // 07:58

Strictly inferior adrenaline management. And no TNtF. In exchange for what? A little faster IAS with no armor penalty? Unless I've overlooked something big, this build is just flat out worse than Racthoth's classic build.

LifeInfusion · Mar 06, 2011, 04:37 PM // 16:37

TNTF prevents spell damage that only can be protted by Prot Spirit/Shelter or Veil of Thorns (i.e. Energy Surge, Wastrel's Worry). It also gives you a heal as often as Protective was Kaolai/every Motivation skill.

Khomet Si Netjer · Mar 07, 2011, 08:06 PM // 20:06

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Originally Posted by Chthon

Strictly inferior adrenaline management. And no TNtF. In exchange for what? A little faster IAS with no armor penalty? Unless I've overlooked something big, this build is just flat out worse than Racthoth's classic build.

you've overlooked several major things, not just one --

spear of fury gives +7 adrenaline with one hit, thus allowing you to use SY almost instantly. and it does more damage than any other attack skill, and it charges all other adrenaline spear skills instantly. If you think it's worth losing this ability so that you can bring TNTF, go right ahead. Not worth it imo.

TTL gives you additional health, as well as instant adrenaline (useful while blind) and it powers your Centurion's Insignia 100% of the time

Soldier's Stance gives you +33% IAS and it also gives you nearly permanent 75% blocking. When you use SY you instantly become the lowest-armored target in the party, thus attracting attention from the red dots. And they are likely to center all their attacks on you if they can. (this is why Aggressive Refrain and Soldier's Fury are undesirable) Soldier's Stance makes you virtually immune to physical attacks, the small number of things that get through are unlikely to pressure your healers.

As I said in the build description, you don't need much adrenaline boosting to keep SY up 100% if you have high Kurzick rank... if your rank is low you may need the additional adrenaline boost that Focused Anger provides. I have a bunch of imbagon variants that I use depending on the area, I was just throwing this out there for those who might not have thought of it yet.

Chthon · Mar 07, 2011, 09:06 PM // 21:06

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