Curse

Francis Crawford · May 19, 2006, 04:41 AM // 04:41

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Originally Posted by Hemophiliac

not bad, guess people will start farming The Bone Dancer now, wish it would have dropped for me when I capped off of him..... it's great for a staff, to bad staff's can't equal a weapon and offhand.

Are you saying the Bone Dancer dropped Ghial's Bone Staff?

blood raven · May 19, 2006, 11:09 AM // 11:09

yeah i found the collector for the faster cast time +5 energy but im searching for the one with faster skill recharge +5^50...

Hemophiliac · May 19, 2006, 01:53 PM // 13:53

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Originally Posted by Francis Crawford

Are you saying the Bone Dancer dropped Ghial's Bone Staff?

Well it is Ghial the Bone Dancer (where you cap flesh golem), wouldn't think some other boss would drop a weapon with his name on it.

Plus I checked on guildwiki quick to double check and that claims he drops it as well. I havn't had one drop but that is where it would drop yes.

sunny dai · May 19, 2006, 08:43 PM // 20:43

I like to use the new 70AL necro armor and use a morgriffs staff for +10 armor giving you a base of 80 which is nice.

the MM armor gives you a variable 70-85 same set up but i like the stability of the 70AL.

the morgriffs also gives you the 10% which is helpful.

its not uber for casting but it cushions the blows which i like for those ele aoe spikes you can get caught in time to time.
As far as the 20% cast/recharge not that big a deal for a MM build. the +1 death 20% would be nice but whatever.

</2 cents>

Dark Tykane · May 20, 2006, 04:09 AM // 04:09

+1 death magic is lame everyone sry but its true. I think the 40/40 set is definately the best and it doesnt cost as much as a green item. I farmed Ghial for awhile I got 70k a peice too. The 20/20 bone spiral should cost about 10k at most i dont remember.

Hella Good · May 20, 2006, 07:47 AM // 07:47

recharge and speed are capped at 33% to the best of my knowledge. you are wasting you item with 40/40.

Manic Smile · May 20, 2006, 12:41 PM // 12:41

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Originally Posted by Dark Tykane

+1 death magic is lame everyone sry but its true. I think the 40/40 set is definately the best and it doesnt cost as much as a green item. I farmed Ghial for awhile I got 70k a peice too. The 20/20 bone spiral should cost about 10k at most i dont remember.

+1 Death makes a huge difference for a MM...especially before the nerf but still one more level for a fiend and two more levels for a golem can make a difference.

B Ephekt · May 20, 2006, 07:48 PM // 19:48

IMO +1 is crap for an MM. I had the Bortaks set before the nerf but sold them off quickly in anticipation of a price plummet. Since I've been playing through Factions, I've stuck with a 20/20 offhand and switch between a 5^50 1/2 recharge wand and a 20/20 recharge wand. I don't miss my Bortaks at all.

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recharge and speed are capped at 33% to the best of my knowledge. you are wasting you item with 40/40.

It's supposedly a 36% chance to 1/2 and a 4% chance to make it 4 times faster. Still, 36% > 20%.

Francis Crawford · May 20, 2006, 08:40 PM // 20:40

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Originally Posted by Hella Good

recharge and speed are capped at 33% to the best of my knowledge. you are wasting you item with 40/40.

That's the first time I've ever seen that posted, and I've seen a LOT of discussion about combining 20% chance wand and offhand items.

Are you sure you're not mixing it up with increases in movement speed, and how they stack?

Francis Crawford · May 20, 2006, 08:47 PM // 20:47

As for the main subject -- none of my characters have getting too far in Cantha yet, so at the moment I'm mainly using the 20% wand with +5 energy <50%, and a 20/20 offhand. The other weapon slot I actually use a fair amount is the one with +15/-1 regen wand and offhand items. Which huge energy increases at certain points in the fight from Soul Reaping, these items actually can make sense to use.

My Bortak's Bone Staff and Defensive 20/20 staff of Defense sit in weapon slots largely unused, and my Morgriff's doesn't even get a weapon slot (I think it's strictly inferior too -- and appropriately cheaper than

-- my +10 armor collector's staff).

As for a 20% chance of Death Magic +1 -- big whoop. 1/5 of the time getting a few percent more each on minion damage and minion survivability HP (or minion healing, in the case of BotM) would be nice, but I'd rather have what amounts to 10% more access to my spells than 1 or 2% more punch from the same spells.

Hella Good · May 20, 2006, 09:08 PM // 21:08

Well, my point was more along the lines of using a 10/10, or a 5^50/10, because I believe the 40/40 is wasteful (could be wrong but I'm positive the cap is below 40%, and I think it was 33%). Mogriff's scepter perhaps?

Francis Crawford · May 20, 2006, 09:32 PM // 21:32

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Originally Posted by Hella Good

I believe the 40/40 is wasteful

Among all the posters I have ever seen in this forum, you are alone in that belief.

Now, it IS the majority belief so far as I can tell that if you have two items, each giving a 20% chance of a 50% reduction in the time it takes for something to recur (recharge or casting), then the way they stack is:

A. 32% chance of 50% reduction plus 4% chance of 75% reduction = 36% chance total of 50-75% reduction

rather than

B. 40% chance of 50% reduction.

But A is almost as good as B; the stacking is hardly wasteful at all.

Hella Good · May 20, 2006, 09:40 PM // 21:40

A. 32% chance of 50% reduction plus 4% chance of 75% reduction = 36% chance total of 50-75% reduction

Ah, correct, that's what it was. Well, anyways, it's a matter of personal preference. I like 5 more nrg. And I prefer speed over recharge with DM. So a 5^50/10 or 20 speed with a 20/20 would be better than 40/40, impo.

Francis Crawford · May 20, 2006, 10:05 PM // 22:05

I think recharge just got a lot more important with the introduction of the Vampiric Horror and Flesh Golem spells, and also with the changes in how the miinion-healing spells work.

I suspect the skill bar I'll eventually settle on will contain one 5-second recharge and one 15-second recharge animate spell.

Hella Good · May 20, 2006, 11:57 PM // 23:57

I'm doing Vamp Horrors/Fiends/Oob atm. Works well. Yea Fleshy is cool but cool isn't always efficient. This way I have a front line to tank and heal me, and a back line to pump up some nice damage. Thing is I don't have points to put in Healing if I use OoB, so... it's a BotM only support (which is quite sufficient, mind you). I been using the 20/20 but fast recharge on OoB and Horrors will be nice. Oh well, I'm sticking with what I got.

Francis Crawford · May 21, 2006, 06:47 PM // 18:47

Personally, I'm looking forward to capping Glyph of Energy as an elite, given my fondness for 25-energy animate spells.

myk9194 · May 22, 2006, 11:29 PM // 23:29

Someone sold me this wayward wand for 15k at warcamp, I think i got lucky there

i love the skin. I think these are perfect mods...?

anyway modded the collectors bone staff which is better than bortaks staff. both sets work really well.