Curse

teh blink · Jul 07, 2006, 03:18 AM // 03:18

I have used this build on my necro all through the Flameseeker Prophicies. It seems to be flawless in 1v1. I call this Build.....

Health Delite Build
Necromancer/Mesmer

Blood Magic 12+3+1
Soul Reaping 3+1
Curses 12+1

Vampiric Gaze
Shadow Strike
Life Siphon
Life Transfer
Barbed Signet
Malise (or Res. Signet)
Desecrate Enchantments
Insidious Parasite

Im aware I didnt spell some of those skill correctly. I am currently away from my computer that can run GuildWars or I would have done a better job. Tell me what you think.
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lapsus · Jul 07, 2006, 03:55 AM // 03:55

Well malaise is good but it degens your health pretty badly. You could use life siphon to reduce the hurt it causes but then youd have to keep re-casting siphon. But 1v1 i bet it slaughters but if its more then 1v1 your in a bad spot. Although you could swap shadow strike for Unholy Feast, and desecrate enchants for suffering. i think that would make you more of a support and not a direct damage dealer but with the low Necro armor and health from the runes it might help you stay alive longer.

Dark Tykane · Jul 07, 2006, 04:21 AM // 04:21

Your main degen, Life Transfer has a 30 second recharge.....
I tell this to everyone that uses a life transfer/siphon build...30 SECONDS RUINS IT!!!
With a better build you can have the full degen going on two people at the same time and for longer.
But like lapsus wrote it is great for 1v1 because it heals you at the same time.

teh blink · Jul 07, 2006, 04:27 AM // 04:27

i somtimes use arcane echo vs other people. when im matched more then 1v1 i dont use malise. i usually bring a rez and replace it. i used to use suffering but it costs 15 energy and does -5. not bad but i just choose against it everynow and then.

Dark Tykane · Jul 07, 2006, 05:32 AM // 05:32

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Originally Posted by teh blink

i somtimes use arcane echo vs other people. when im matched more then 1v1 i dont use malise. i usually bring a rez and replace it. i used to use suffering but it costs 15 energy and does -5. not bad but i just choose against it everynow and then.

Its still less efficient because AE costs 15 energy and you would get just one cast out of echo as it only lasts 20 seconds and the recharge is 30 on transfer.
seriously just try doing some other degen builds its easy just go ready through some skills trust me it helps

holden · Jul 07, 2006, 04:08 PM // 16:08

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Originally Posted by Dark Tykane

Its still less efficient because AE costs 15 energy and you would get just one cast out of echo as it only lasts 20 seconds and the recharge is 30 on transfer.
seriously just try doing some other degen builds its easy just go ready through some skills trust me it helps

i agree. AE wont help transfer. it's not a good skill because of the shitty cooldown. it's really a bad elite and a bad choice everytime imo.

Pick Me · Jul 07, 2006, 04:57 PM // 16:57

How can you say Perfect Degen if you only have 3 degens?

Toss Life Transfer, get Wither.

Scrap Shadow Strike, pickup Phantom Pain
Toss Insidious Parasite, pickup Parasitic Bond
Toss Barb Signet, pickup Conjure Phantasm

You can keep your stats as is if you want, Illusion isn't necessary to keep it long. With Malaise, Wither and Life Siphon, Illusion is just a bit overkill.

Phantom Pain and Parasitic Bond are cover hexes that have nice side-effects when removed or ends (they cast fast too).

JimmyDean · Jul 11, 2006, 09:39 PM // 21:39

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Originally Posted by Dark Tykane

Your main degen, Life Transfer has a 30 second recharge.....
I tell this to everyone that uses a life transfer/siphon build...30 SECONDS RUINS IT!!!
With a better build you can have the full degen going on two people at the same time and for longer.
But like lapsus wrote it is great for 1v1 because it heals you at the same time.

At 17 Blood Magic, Life Transfer has a duration of 13 seconds. With Arcane Echo, you will be able to keep life transfer up for 26 seconds. In another 4 seconds, the original spell will have recharged again. This makes for 39 seconds out of 43. That's not bad at all.

Considering it only takes two skills to do this, and life transfer can function as your self heal, this seems like a very efficient combo to use, despite being a bit mana heavy. Throw in Life Siphon and parasitic bond and you have a nice set of skills to hex someone with. This leaves you with 4 skill slots for pure degeneration or utility.

Shuuda · Jul 14, 2006, 02:17 PM // 14:17

I used this kind of build in AB. But with a few differences.

life transfer
life spihon
Vamp glare
lifebane strike
Energy Tap
Strip enchantment
Drain enchantment
Ether Lord (dunno y i use it)

I can own those touchers in AB and The enchantment strip help against HP regen like healing breeze.

Dark Tykane · Jul 14, 2006, 09:18 PM // 21:18

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

I used this kind of build in AB. But with a few differences.

life transfer
life spihon
Vamp glare
lifebane strike
Energy Tap
Strip enchantment
Drain enchantment
Ether Lord (dunno y i use it)

I can own those touchers in AB and The enchantment strip help against HP regen like healing breeze.

:\ Its almost a sure thing that any degen build can own a toucher...of course I rather go with conditions from a ranger to kill them quickly.

TadaceAce · Jul 14, 2006, 09:26 PM // 21:26

Degen just flat out isn't any good outside of a pressure build. Degen like, on the side beyond something like shutdown is one thing but pure degen is bad. Degen is at max 20 dps, which is absolutely horrible. Not to mention its very energy heavy and ends when the person dies.

Dark Tykane · Jul 15, 2006, 01:02 AM // 01:02

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Originally Posted by TadaceAce

Degen just flat out isn't any good outside of a pressure build. Degen like, on the side beyond something like shutdown is one thing but pure degen is bad. Degen is at max 20 dps, which is absolutely horrible. Not to mention its very energy heavy and ends when the person dies.

Degen is good for a lot of different purposes.
You just think of it in the wrong way....degen isn't damage at all remember that...

waiver · Jul 16, 2006, 12:56 AM // 00:56

20dps+blood magic skill+(pvp)war or nuker on them = death.

I can solo people with degen. :\

Termil · Jul 18, 2006, 11:27 PM // 23:27

Remember degen doesn't require you to stick around to watch em die. You can kite if need be and they are still taking -hp while you run around em.

Ensign · Jul 18, 2006, 11:58 PM // 23:58

Degen is excellent in small scale combat.

Life Transfer is a cute one-shot for a duel but pretty much trash otherwise.

Peace,
-CxE

Loch · Jul 19, 2006, 03:48 AM // 03:48

Take Offering of Blood instead of Life Transfer, and go with Faintheartedness as another degen spell.

Xaero Gouki Kriegor · Jul 19, 2006, 09:27 AM // 09:27

12 wilderness Survival + Melandru's resilience + Troll urgent help at all in defense?

Kali Magdalene · Jul 19, 2006, 10:15 AM // 10:15

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Originally Posted by Pick Me

How can you say Perfect Degen if you only have 3 degens?

Toss Life Transfer, get Wither.

Scrap Shadow Strike, pickup Phantom Pain
Toss Insidious Parasite, pickup Parasitic Bond
Toss Barb Signet, pickup Conjure Phantasm

You can keep your stats as is if you want, Illusion isn't necessary to keep it long. With Malaise, Wither and Life Siphon, Illusion is just a bit overkill.

Phantom Pain and Parasitic Bond are cover hexes that have nice side-effects when removed or ends (they cast fast too).

I agree with this guy. Wither's so much better than Life Transfer it's not funny - Life Siphon can cover your life sucking needs quite nicely, and Wither adds additional caster hate. Also, you can keep it on two or three targets.

Parasitic is one of the best (if not the best) Neco cover hexes. With the fast recharge, fast cast, and nice benefit when it ends, definitely worth your while. The -1 degen is an okay bonus on top of all the other degen you're bringing, but usually won't matter.

jummeth · Jul 19, 2006, 10:33 AM // 10:33

For 1v1 purposes Migrainer will own that... finished 1v1 discussion.

For PvP usage, you can't apply degen on enough targets, degen's power comes into force when you are maintaining 8 degen on all the opposing team, thus putting heavy pressure on the monks trying to keep their team alive.

Wither is just icing on the cake, leaving the boon prot with 1 pip of e-regen. Although Wither is removed very quickly by focus swapping.

Jetdoc · Jul 19, 2006, 02:01 PM // 14:01

It sounds like this is primarily a PvE build, with some limited usage in 1 vs. 1 battles.

In PvE, Life Transfer+Life Siphon makes soloing (without henchmen or a 55 build) very effective. I can't see much use beyond that, however.