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Undead Preacher · Jul 16, 2006, 08:14 AM // 08:14

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Originally Posted by Scourage of Death

Great work Undead Preacher. As always your guide is comprenhensive and very usefull. This build looks extremyl fun and I will have to try it out( I like the PvP aspect, your almost like a sneak attack seeing as how many pople would not expect a Necro to come up and meele you to death). Cant' wait for you team build to come out, and ppl stop flaming this build, beacues if you actually took the time and read the whole op you would see where he says this is not a tank and where this build is usefull. Again a great job Undead Preacher!

Edit: Wow reading more replies I find myself laughing at the ignorance of some of you people, I hate when people flame other for being creative and making a build that works when they themselves use cookie cutter unimaginative builds, calling this a sub par build is just wrong and unnecessary. Also bringing the argument to a point of spelling mistakes is just pitaful(i mean who spell checks a forum post...do you rly have no life at all), what you really should be doing is accepting his challenge like a man(I would love to see Undead kick your ass and take your money, but your such a little girl you probably wouldn't pay up). God ignorance makes me angry.

Thank you for your support on this

Ole Man Bourbon · Jul 16, 2006, 09:36 AM // 09:36

PS the argument started when the OP said he typically pwned W's and Tanks. (with this 100 Blades build)

You just can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit. Unless there's some angle to play (a la the touch ranger thing).

Have you guys ever been to Phoenix? The coastline is absolutely beautiful there.

Undead Preacher · Jul 16, 2006, 01:16 PM // 13:16

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Originally Posted by Ole Man Bourbon

PS the argument started when the OP said he typically pwned W's and Tanks. (with this 100 Blades build)

You just can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit. Unless there's some angle to play (a la the touch ranger thing).

Have you guys ever been to Phoenix? The coastline is absolutely beautiful there.

You weren't the person I orignally challenged.... and if u read the original challenge it cleary states I will use a MELEEMANCER build but not the one posted seeing that wouldn't exactly be fair would it.... here look at exactly what i'm bringing, my attributes and such, then go make a build to fight me...

If you want to accept the challenge, i'll be a N/W Meleemancer.... but my build is my choosing... the challenge is no longer about my builds, it was about meleemancers being subpar to warriors, so please don't post if you haven't read the challenge.....

I'm not sure how many times I have to ask that people ONLY post here with questions on the build... you pug flamers are plain annoying... and if you wanna except my bet then awesome. I was hoping a few people would. Faster money making that way than farming. But like I said, I'll use whatever Meleemancer build I choose.... This guide was made for beginner meleemancers and my friend.... I am no beginner

TheOneMephisto · Jul 16, 2006, 06:10 PM // 18:10

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Originally Posted by Undead Preacher

Healing sig wouldn't ever counter this seeing I would interupt it everytime it was cast

and my orignal argument was you SHOULDN'T compare this to a warrior because thats not what this build is... thats why I made a bet for a 1 on 1 with a warrior because thats all people flamed was that a warrior would own this.... and actually, no... they don't

Its just like when the assassin was released, of coarse since the 'sin is a melee fighter it was attacked verbally by pug warriors calling them soft skin tanks. The whole point is that they ARE NOT tanks and play a completely different role just like a meleemancer. Your thinking about a team with a warrior as a tank and a team with a meleemancer as a tank... This is not suppose to replace a warrior, its just an alternative to a caster. But Im working on a team build consisting of Necromancer and Monks only and I will release that soon... and yes, the Meleemancer is one of the builds!

Okay, then tell me the role that this thing is suppose to play. All I've basically been asking for the entire time is a useful team role that this character can play in organized PvP...

And about interrupting heal sig, in 1v1 it's quite easy ninja-cancel you out.

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Originally Posted by Undead Preacher

You weren't the person I orignally challenged.... and if u read the original challenge it cleary states I will use a MELEEMANCER build but not the one posted seeing that wouldn't exactly be fair would it.... here look at exactly what i'm bringing, my attributes and such, then go make a build to fight me...

If you want to accept the challenge, i'll be a N/W Meleemancer.... but my build is my choosing... the challenge is no longer about my builds, it was about meleemancers being subpar to warriors, so please don't post if you haven't read the challenge.....

I'm not sure how many times I have to ask that people ONLY post here with questions on the build... you pug flamers are plain annoying... and if you wanna except my bet then awesome. I was hoping a few people would. Faster money making that way than farming. But like I said, I'll use whatever Meleemancer build I choose.... This guide was made for beginner meleemancers and my friend.... I am no beginner

Unfortunately, you could easily counter him in any number of ways if you don't tell him the build. Enfeebling touch, price of failure, reckless haste, etc. All you have to do to be considered a meleemancer is bring a freaking sword/axe/hammer.

So you're giving beginners sub-par builds? Umm... okay.

Scourage of Death · Jul 17, 2006, 01:29 AM // 01:29

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Originally Posted by TheOneMephisto

Okay, then tell me the role that this thing is suppose to play. All I've basically been asking for the entire time is a useful team role that this character can play in organized PvP...

And about interrupting heal sig, in 1v1 it's quite easy ninja-cancel you out.

Unfortunately, you could easily counter him in any number of ways if you don't tell him the build. Enfeebling touch, price of failure, reckless haste, etc. All you have to do to be considered a meleemancer is bring a freaking sword/axe/hammer.

So you're giving beginners sub-par builds? Umm... okay.

He's not giving beginners sub par builds he's just giving them something to start out with so that they can develope their own playing style and add skills that they like to use. His build serves more as a foundation then as a cookie cutter, maybe if you had some imagination you would be able to chnage things around and make it better, Undead doesn't want to give you all the answers b/c if he did it would take away what is special in a game like this, that is making your own build off of an idea or an idea of someone else. This game is all about trying out new builds and having fun while doing it. I just can't stand people flaming others and saying bad things about builds when they themselves dont try and experiment with new things. These are the type of people that never post their won builds and just live to critize others.

TheOneMephisto · Jul 17, 2006, 02:44 PM // 14:44

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Originally Posted by Scourage of Death

He's not giving beginners sub par builds he's just giving them something to start out with so that they can develope their own playing style and add skills that they like to use. His build serves more as a foundation then as a cookie cutter, maybe if you had some imagination you would be able to chnage things around and make it better, Undead doesn't want to give you all the answers b/c if he did it would take away what is special in a game like this, that is making your own build off of an idea or an idea of someone else. This game is all about trying out new builds and having fun while doing it. I just can't stand people flaming others and saying bad things about builds when they themselves dont try and experiment with new things. These are the type of people that never post their won builds and just live to critize others.

I'm not flaming anything. I'm just saying that this build has no place in organized PvP. In RA/AB/PvE, I'm sure it works, and I'm sure that it's fun for him to run.

Blackhawk · Jul 17, 2006, 05:30 PM // 17:30

Look stop arguing, Undead has clearly thrown the gauntlet down to all you ppl who keep criticizing him, if you're so clever or better than him stop flaming and take him on and put your money where your mouth is.

My money's on Undead.

Scourage of Death · Jul 17, 2006, 11:38 PM // 23:38

Amen to that.

TheOneMephisto · Jul 17, 2006, 11:50 PM // 23:50

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Originally Posted by Blackhawk

Look stop arguing, Undead has clearly thrown the gauntlet down to all you ppl who keep criticizing him, if you're so clever or better than him stop flaming and take him on and put your money where your mouth is.

My money's on Undead.

People still fail to realize that GW is a team game, which means that 1v1s don't mean ****. I could go make a necro/warrior build with a sword in 2 min and slaughter any warrior that I meet. However, that WOULDN'T MEAN A THING unless I could contribute to a team.

byteme! · Jul 18, 2006, 12:33 AM // 00:33

I'm not flaming nor do I give a crap about this BUT....just out of my own curiousity. What role do you play in a team? I mean most decent parties I've been with everyone had their own roles and what they're required to do. To name a few...

1)Warriors - Takes the hits for the team, keeps enemies from attacking backline
2)Monks - Heals and or protects team from harm
3)Elementalist - deals massive spike dmg to foes
4)I can do this for an hour but anyways...

How do you get yourself into a party? You tell your teammates you're meleeing right? How would you fit into their scheme of things? I'm an adventurous person myself and like to experiment with new things all the time but I do that either solo or with henchies. If I play my monk I would be healer or protector because in most cases that would benefit the team most. I wouldn't suddenly use my (random non-heal/prot build) just because I can use it well. If I was with friends, my guild mates, or I happen to find a party that's willing to accept me and my unorthodoxed build then that would be ok. In most cases people want to succeed in the tasks at hand whether it be a mission, chest run or whatever and do not want to be burdened by an unorthodoxed build. It may be strong and you may very well be the last one standing but if you're the last one standing and everyone is dead what good did your build bring to the team?

Anyways just my .02. I just want to know how your build would fit in with an organized group because I just see this as something to do on my own time "for fun".

*you said you can outlast 99% of warriors which makes me wonder what kind of newbs you were playing with*

SparhawkJC · Jul 18, 2006, 12:34 AM // 00:34

People also fail to realize that these kinds of builds aren't meant to be able to match a primary in terms of efficiency. The point of hybrid builds such as these is to work through the story in a way that you find enjoyable. This build may/may not work for farming or PvP but you will be able to get through the main story with a build such as this in the same amount of time as a warrior prime.

The role this build is supposed to play is to kill things. While it might not get it done as fast as a warrior prime, at least you'll have fun doing it. Your regular PUG might not appreciate this, but if you're playing with friends and goofing off why not break out a fun build that you enjoy?

Dark Tykane · Jul 18, 2006, 12:52 AM // 00:52

I was trying to do hammer melemancer just because others say it is no good and/or can not be done.
I can knock down more than a regular KD hammer warrior but theres is much less damage.
Mainly the only advantages I saw were the full regen from spamming life siphon first and nobody saw you coming...so monks wouldn't run from me.

Decembre · Jul 18, 2006, 01:32 AM // 01:32

The meaning of a meleemancer:

How about you guys cool down and look at what you're arguing about. This is a game, it is meant to be fun and challenging. The meleemancer is fun and challenging. If some of you don't like it, don't play it. But the few of us who do use this build love it because it is just that, fun and challenging. Who cares that this is a team game, there is no certain team build to beat a mission, mix it up a bit, bring a N/W into your team. Most of the time it's for the best. You guys are arrogant because you are looking at this as if it were meant to be a godly build that can replace warriors. But it isn't that, some of us don't like the concept of being a big meat tank, and being a N/W is perfect for us.

Honestly, this was my first build choice, I made a Necromancer at first because I love being a vampire and having Warrior as secondary helps me do that. If someone were to ask me what they should choose as a first character I would say Necro/War because it was the most fun I had in this game, it works well with henchies(I didn't play with humans when I first started and now sometimes I choose henchies over humans, and you arrogant players just made me realize why).

Aillas · Jul 18, 2006, 04:04 AM // 04:04

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Originally Posted by TheOneMephisto

Okay, then tell me the role that this thing is suppose to play... So you're giving beginners sub-par builds? Umm... okay.

I think this build's role is FUN, I don't see that it was presented as the latest uber pwnage build. Beginners? WTF can you read? The 3rd sentence of the build says only recommended to people experienced with necros and warriors.

TheOneMephisto · Jul 18, 2006, 12:13 PM // 12:13

Sorry, being a PvP freak I juse don't like sub-par builds. Seeing that I've made my point that this should not be used in organized PvP, I think that I'm done here.

BTW, if I'm in competitive PvP and someone comes along with a build "just for fun", I get extremely pissed off. I have much more fun winning or at least playing a good game with optimal builds.

Rancour · Jul 18, 2006, 12:54 PM // 12:54

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Originally Posted by TheOneMephisto

People still fail to realize that GW is a team game, which means that 1v1s don't mean ****. I could go make a necro/warrior build with a sword in 2 min and slaughter any warrior that I meet. However, that WOULDN'T MEAN A THING unless I could contribute to a team.

Isn't killing every warrior you meet = contributing? You must have some pretty demanding team mates...

Munanko Roha · Jul 18, 2006, 01:24 PM // 13:24

Do you really think this build could kill every warrior it meets?

It's a moderate pressure/long surviving build, quite fun to play, certainly, but not a threath to warriors in a minimally organized pvp game.

The fact that it *could* win over a warrior in a 1vs1 match doesn't mean it could be so effective against a half competent team.

Not to criticize, I've had fun times with a similar build and I know it's quite entertaining, but here you're talking about the meleemancer like it has the survivability of a tank and the usefulness of a dedicated antiwar mesmer...

Undead Preacher · Jul 19, 2006, 05:13 AM // 05:13

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Originally Posted by Munanko Roha

Not to criticize, I've had fun times with a similar build and I know it's quite entertaining, but here you're talking about the meleemancer like it has the survivability of a tank and the usefulness of a dedicated antiwar mesmer...

when played right.... it can!

with an advanced skill bar and experience... you'de be surprised with what a meleemancer is capable of.

Xaero Gouki Kriegor · Jul 19, 2006, 09:24 AM // 09:24

haha, this reminds me of a build i came up with a while ago

16 Healing prayers
12 Hammer Mastery
Rest in Tactics

cant remember how it went but was

Devastating Hammer
Crushing Blow
Fierce Blow
Frenzy
Sprint
Live Vicariously
Vigourous Spirit,

with judge's armor, but the whole point of it was similar to this build, in that it was suppose to stay alive, while being in constant frenzy and being healed by vig spirit and liv vic and do hammer spikes,

but this has nothing to do with melee mancer, but this was just my idea of melee monk

**edit**

also, do you have any variations using Dark Fury, Dark Aura, or AotL or something of the like?

Mithie · Jul 24, 2006, 12:33 PM // 12:33

So wait, let me get this straight, this build...

1. Can't take as much damage as a warrior
2. Can't dish out as much dps as a warrior (since it has no IAS)
3. Doesn't have the independent survivability of a touch ranger.

BUT, it's fun to play, right? Okay, maybe in PvE. In PvP, if I see your N/W doing something to my backline, I'll just laugh about it and call an adren spike on you. GG.