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Rancour · Jul 13, 2006, 04:16 PM // 16:16

Right, should we call this load of badmouthing over and discuss meleemancer builds, hmm?

I was considering this build in my head (elaboration of Undeads meleemancer idea, not a promotion of my own build.)

N/A

Attributes

Dagger Mastery: 12
Blood Magic: 9 (+3+1)

Rest in Soul Reaping

Skills

Golden Phoenix Strike
Horns of the Ox
Falling Spider
Death Blossom (or Wildcard if you prefere a defensive skill)
Vampiric Spirit {E}
Vampiric Gaze
Blood Renewal
Demonic Flesh (Wildcard)

The idea is to throw up Vampiric Spirit at the start of the battle, followed by Demonic Flesh. Wait for your warriors to aggro and then go for the offensive squishies. Hit your attack combo and then use Blood Renewal/Gaze to replenish lost life.

The idea is to go into melee and stay alive to brag about your kills. Blood Renewal and Demonic Flesh each cost 5 energy (8 with Vampiric Spirit) and will heal you 40-something in addition to their own effects. Vampiric Gaze will cost 13 energy but will heal you double (and damage double). I stayed clear of Vampiric Bite/Touch because those are skills.
Unholy Feast can work too, but it has a long recharge.

Downsides

Energy consumption might end up being a problem if you use your attack strings too freely. I suggest going assassin-style; run in, kill a squishy and run back out until your energy is back.
I'm sure you'd be able to damage just as much as most warriors/assassins but you are still NOT a tank. I'm guessing people might prefere a true Assassin or tank over this build.

holden · Jul 13, 2006, 04:26 PM // 16:26

you forgot the spine of the build lol, the incredible life siphon

Rancour · Jul 13, 2006, 04:28 PM // 16:28

I'm thinking outside the box! Outside the box I tells ya!

On a more serious note, I don't like Life Siphon even though it can easily fit into the build.

Loch · Jul 13, 2006, 07:48 PM // 19:48

Warriors get the job done better than meleemancers.

Rancour · Jul 13, 2006, 08:57 PM // 20:57

God, I thought we settled this; Meleemancers are NOT meant to replace warriors or necros. They're just original, versatile and fun to play.

On another note: There's no "job" to be done in GW. It's a GAME.

Blackhawk · Jul 13, 2006, 11:41 PM // 23:41

Well I've had some really great fun with this build and certainly surprised quite a few people - 'nuff said.

Undead Preacher · Jul 14, 2006, 12:18 AM // 00:18

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Originally Posted by Blackhawk

Well I've had some really great fun with this build and certainly surprised quite a few people - 'nuff said.

Thanks..

Thanks for the people who replied with the right reasons...

And for the people that I disagree with, its not because I can't take critism, the point is I put this here for people who wanted to try something new with their necro's... like somone pointed out when you get ALOT of time in game you get tired of running the same old popular builds.... and I must say, i'm spending and wasting way too much money deleting characters I spent months working on just to do something new, so I took a different route.

And for whoever said that bs comment about subpar builds, plz.... I run enough of your "uber" cookie cutter builds to make me puke... this isn't subpar, its different and makes for a fun switchup..

For those who posted in my defense, thank you

This was here to give people another option to their necro, not for people to give their opinions on why it doesn't work as well as a warrior primary.

This is a GUIDE, not a post for help on a build...

Loch · Jul 14, 2006, 02:06 AM // 02:06

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this isn't subpar

Wrong

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its different

Correct

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makes for a fun switchup..

If it's meant to be "for fun," then why the big post on optimizing a subpar strategy?

Undead Preacher · Jul 14, 2006, 04:49 AM // 04:49

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Originally Posted by Loch

Wrong

Correct

If it's meant to be "for fun," then why the big post on optimizing a subpar strategy?

What exactly is your point in posting here, as stated before... this is for Meleemancer discussion and here to help those interested in trying something different. Its not here for narrow minded people like you to put things down.

You have a warrior I suppose... I will wager 100k that you can't take me one on one... and if you accept, its the LAST time I want to see you post here. your comments are not needed and are very inaccurate. Maybe you tried to pull off a Meleemancer and failed, that doesn't mean we're all pugs like you!

Oh and if you accept my challenge, I'll record the whole thing... even if its relatively short, including you paying me 100k after I embaress you

I'll obviously link it here for all to see, looking forward to you accepting my challenge!

Oh and its Meleemancer Vs Warrior since thats what you wanna keep comparing this too, but my skills are for me to choose... as long as my combo is N/W.... lol... looking forward to this

Oh and If you prefer.. i can up the stakes, but 100k seems like a fair amount, I don't want to take all your gold

And you already know my profession combo N/W

I expect to know your combo as well if u accept that is!

ps... It would be Undead Preacher N/W you'de be facing... not Naomi Kensha.... I have a nice suprise for u!

Dark Tykane · Jul 14, 2006, 05:07 AM // 05:07

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Originally Posted by Undead Preacher

What exactly is your point in posting here, as stated before... this is for Meleemancer discussion and here to help those interested in trying something different. Its not here for narrow minded people like you to put things down.

You have a warrior I suppose... I will wager 100k that you can't take me one on one... and if you accept, its the LAST time I want to see you post here. your comments are not needed and are very inaccurate. Maybe you tried to pull off a Meleemancer and failed, that doesn't mean we're all pugs like you!

Oh and if you accept my challenge, I'll record the whole thing... even if its relatively short, including you paying me 100k after I embaress you

I'll obviously link it here for all to see, looking forward to you accepting my challenge!

Oh and its Meleemancer Vs Warrior since thats you wanna keep comparing this too, but my skills are for me to choose... as long as my combo is N/W.... lol... looking forward to this

Oh and If you prefer.. i can up the stakes, but 100k seems like a fair amount, I don't want to take all your gold

IF!! he accepts give me a whisp in game i want to watch it first person rather than dling the vid after....although both would be worth it XD
necro "ftw"
IGN Dark Tykane
I got some new ideas for the meleemancer...of course i haven't played meleemancer in sooo long they probably all suck :P

Shuuda · Jul 14, 2006, 02:41 PM // 14:41

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Originally Posted by Rancour

Crumbs... I'm not too keen on using Hundred Blades, mainly because I'm gonna try a N/A with daggers and blood magic.
Oh well, assassins have plenty of cool elites anyway.

Now your speaking my language! I love assassins. May you could shaodow step to get a suprise attack in. Anyways Im going to start thinking about it.

Rancour · Jul 14, 2006, 04:32 PM // 16:32

Don't like Shadow Step. I prefere to decide when and where I return to my origina location. It could work though, give it a shot.

9th Requiem · Jul 14, 2006, 05:10 PM // 17:10

I can't really see any synergy between the warrior skills and the Necro skills. A close range caster should be able to take advantage of attacking in melee, but this seems like half a warrior's skillbar, with some close range necro skills thrown in to fill space. Only 1 of the necro skills listed even needs close range. Both the Elites used are centred around hitting multiple enemies, in PvP this is not useful at all, and in PvE this is mainly usful with a damage-buff, such as Strength of Honor, Conjure X, or (*gasp*) Order of pain.

Other Blood skills you might consider is a Signet of Agony -> Plague Touch combo (I like this one, means you can deal damage, send out any condition, and means you can pack Gash without Sever), Unholy Feast, BOTH Vamp Touch and Bite (not great on energy, nor particularly perfect), or (if you can trust in not being hit or having good healing) Touch of Agony. A meleemancer can work very well, but you do need to use appropriate skills - those not requiring close range are typically more expensive or weaker.

From the Curses line, you'd lose your self-heal, but Chilblains + Plague touch, Weaken Armour, Rigour Mortis, Barbs, and Enfeebling Touch (good with a hammer and Auspicious Blow)

What's to stop Kiters? and What's the stop you getting ground into the dust before you reach your enemy? (those two questions revolve around it's use in PvP). I know you probably won't be the first targetted, that with any luck they won't notice your strategy and deploy anti-warrior stuff until it's too late, and you have Vampiric Gaze and Shadowstrike that work at a distance, but that makes this build a little unfocused.

TheOneMephisto · Jul 14, 2006, 07:05 PM // 19:05

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Originally Posted by Undead Preacher

What exactly is your point in posting here, as stated before... this is for Meleemancer discussion and here to help those interested in trying something different. Its not here for narrow minded people like you to put things down.

You have a warrior I suppose... I will wager 100k that you can't take me one on one... and if you accept, its the LAST time I want to see you post here. your comments are not needed and are very inaccurate. Maybe you tried to pull off a Meleemancer and failed, that doesn't mean we're all pugs like you!

Oh and if you accept my challenge, I'll record the whole thing... even if its relatively short, including you paying me 100k after I embaress you

I'll obviously link it here for all to see, looking forward to you accepting my challenge!

Oh and its Meleemancer Vs Warrior since thats what you wanna keep comparing this too, but my skills are for me to choose... as long as my combo is N/W.... lol... looking forward to this

Oh and If you prefer.. i can up the stakes, but 100k seems like a fair amount, I don't want to take all your gold

And you already know my profession combo N/W

I expect to know your combo as well if u accept that is!

ps... It would be Undead Preacher N/W you'de be facing... not Naomi Kensha.... I have a nice suprise for u!

Notice that guild wars is not a 1v1 game. In organized PvP, this build does nothing better than or as good as another profession could. It doesn't do enough damage to put good pressure up, it isn't enough of a battle presence to force kiting, it doesn't degen as well as other builds, it doesn't spike as well as other builds, etc.

Good job, you can beat a warrior 1v1 (even that I doubt), but using this character in a team build just gimps your team. This build is similiar to the cliche wammo, where you can effectively ignore them until their team is dead.

Even if they decide not to ignore you, you're a caster on the frontlines. You're going to get spiked out before you can say WTFBBQOMGHAX. No PvP team with any idea with intelligence will not notice a necromancer running up and trying to take down their mid-line casters.

If you're running this build purely for fun, I understand. However, I agree with loch that it doesn't make sense to make such a large post just on using a sub-par build.

PS: Quoting the prima strategy guide is useless, since that thing was out of date before the game was released.

EDIT: If you tell me one thing that it can do better than another build, then I will admit that it isn't subpar. (Organized PvP please, in PvE anything goes)

Undead Preacher · Jul 14, 2006, 07:17 PM // 19:17

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Originally Posted by TheOneMephisto

Notice that guild wars is not a 1v1 game. In organized PvP, this build does nothing better than or as good as another profession could. It doesn't do enough damage to put good pressure up, it isn't enough of a battle presence to force kiting, it doesn't degen as well as other builds, it doesn't spike as well as other builds, etc.

Good job, you can beat a warrior 1v1 (even that I doubt), but using this character in a team build just gimps your team. This build is similiar to the cliche wammo, where you can effectively ignore them until their team is dead.

Even if they decide not to ignore you, you're a caster on the frontlines. You're going to get spiked out before you can say WTFBBQOMGHAX. No PvP team with any idea with intelligence will not notice a necromancer running up and trying to take down their mid-line casters.

If you're running this build purely for fun, I understand. However, I agree with loch that it doesn't make sense to make such a large post just on using a sub-par build.

PS: Quoting the prima strategy guide is useless, since that thing was out of date before the game was released.

EDIT: If you tell me one thing that it can do better than another build, then I will admit that it isn't subpar. (Organized PvP please, in PvE anything goes)

I don't use this build for ORGANIZED pvp, I use it in Random and Team Arena. Much Like a Touch Ranger.... Yes I usually own.... other than that I use it in pve. I'm not an idiot... this isn't made to bring to TA... come on now, you do have a brain right?

As for being subpar, why is my challenge wrong? If I go up against a warrior in pvp shouldn't he own me if this is such a lame build. I'll take your comment and the lack of reply from Lich that 1.... u don't wanna lose your money, or 2.... You guys KnoW better and just like shooting off your mouths!

The time has come, PUT UP, OR SHUT UP!

TheOneMephisto · Jul 15, 2006, 01:10 PM // 13:10

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Originally Posted by Undead Preacher

I don't use this build for ORGANIZED pvp, I use it in Random and Team Arena. Much Like a Touch Ranger.... Yes I usually own.... other than that I use it in pve. I'm not an idiot... this isn't made to bring to TA... come on now, you do have a brain right?

As for being subpar, why is my challenge wrong? If I go up against a warrior in pvp shouldn't he own me if this is such a lame build. I'll take your comment and the lack of reply from Lich that 1.... u don't wanna lose your money, or 2.... You guys KnoW better and just like shooting off your mouths!

The time has come, PUT UP, OR SHUT UP!

If you can win in RA that means absolutely nothing at all. Owning scrubs that don't know how to play and people that are joking around does not count as being a good build.

Touch rangers are also a sub-par build, if you're comparing this to a Touch Ranger then yes I entirely agree, this is like a touch ranger.

"I use it in ... Team Arena."
"this isn't made to bring to TA"
-cough-

You still haven't learned that 1v1 MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN THIS GAME. I could make a SUPERWTFFBBQOMG PWNAGE buidl that could slaughter you in 1v1, but it could be useless in an organized pvp setting. It's like saying that since a cripshot is better than a warrior in 1v1, you should replace all of your warriors with cripshots. Or because an anti-melee mesmer can beat a cripshot, then you sohuld replace all of your cripshots with anti-melee mesmers.

Anyways, I still doubt that you can take down a well-played warrior with this build. I'm just not betting because I have no freaking money, and because I really don't care for 1v1 in a team game. Healing Signet by itself will counter almost all of your damage.

Ezekiel Prophet · Jul 15, 2006, 03:51 PM // 15:51

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Originally Posted by JR-

As interesting and gimmicky as it looks, why would you ever want to run this garbage?

No offense but all you have achieved is strapping a SEVERELY gimped Warrior to an extremely mediocre caster.

With the way her build is specifically set up, I agree.
In RA, I saw a N/W using curses instead of blood. I was doing touch ranger just to annoy people. We tore apart a shock warrior, because with blind and the curses she used, he couldn't do anything but run for his life.

Undead Preacher · Jul 15, 2006, 04:45 PM // 16:45

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Originally Posted by TheOneMephisto

If you can win in RA that means absolutely nothing at all. Owning scrubs that don't know how to play and people that are joking around does not count as being a good build.

Touch rangers are also a sub-par build, if you're comparing this to a Touch Ranger then yes I entirely agree, this is like a touch ranger.

"I use it in ... Team Arena."
"this isn't made to bring to TA"
-cough-

You still haven't learned that 1v1 MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN THIS GAME. I could make a SUPERWTFFBBQOMG PWNAGE buidl that could slaughter you in 1v1, but it could be useless in an organized pvp setting. It's like saying that since a cripshot is better than a warrior in 1v1, you should replace all of your warriors with cripshots. Or because an anti-melee mesmer can beat a cripshot, then you sohuld replace all of your cripshots with anti-melee mesmers.

Anyways, I still doubt that you can take down a well-played warrior with this build. I'm just not betting because I have no freaking money, and because I really don't care for 1v1 in a team game. Healing Signet by itself will counter almost all of your damage.

Healing sig wouldn't ever counter this seeing I would interupt it everytime it was cast

and my orignal argument was you SHOULDN'T compare this to a warrior because thats not what this build is... thats why I made a bet for a 1 on 1 with a warrior because thats all people flamed was that a warrior would own this.... and actually, no... they don't

Its just like when the assassin was released, of coarse since the 'sin is a melee fighter it was attacked verbally by pug warriors calling them soft skin tanks. The whole point is that they ARE NOT tanks and play a completely different role just like a meleemancer. Your thinking about a team with a warrior as a tank and a team with a meleemancer as a tank... This is not suppose to replace a warrior, its just an alternative to a caster. But Im working on a team build consisting of Necromancer and Monks only and I will release that soon... and yes, the Meleemancer is one of the builds!

Scourage of Death · Jul 16, 2006, 04:05 AM // 04:05

Great work Undead Preacher. As always your guide is comprenhensive and very usefull. This build looks extremyl fun and I will have to try it out( I like the PvP aspect, your almost like a sneak attack seeing as how many pople would not expect a Necro to come up and meele you to death). Cant' wait for you team build to come out, and ppl stop flaming this build, beacues if you actually took the time and read the whole op you would see where he says this is not a tank and where this build is usefull. Again a great job Undead Preacher!

Edit: Wow reading more replies I find myself laughing at the ignorance of some of you people, I hate when people flame other for being creative and making a build that works when they themselves use cookie cutter unimaginative builds, calling this a sub par build is just wrong and unnecessary. Also bringing the argument to a point of spelling mistakes is just pitaful(i mean who spell checks a forum post...do you rly have no life at all), what you really should be doing is accepting his challenge like a man(I would love to see Undead kick your ass and take your money, but your such a little girl you probably wouldn't pay up). God ignorance makes me angry.

Cuthroat Dibbler · Jul 16, 2006, 06:27 AM // 06:27

Ive been playing a "Meleemancer" for weeks now with a very different set-up from the one listed. One other VERY IMPORTANT note is this is an AB build - No Res, if Res IS required tho I would drop Sprint

I prefer to use hi degen and high armor to play the build.
14 Blood
10 SR
8 Swords
9 Tactics

Sword 1: Req8 Zodiac +5e +5armor 10/10DA
Sword 2: No Req Pre Sear Long Sword Armor+5while casting, HCT 5%, 10/10DA Armor+5
Shield: Req8 Shield of the Wing +28hp +8vsSlashing
Shield 2: Req9 Collectors Crimson Carapace Hexed version

Chest and Leggings at Armor 70 (Tormentors)

Vamp Gaze, Life Transfer, Life Syphon, Plague Touch, Sever Artery, Distracting Blow, Sprint & Bonettis.

IMO ..THAT is a combat build.

The OP's has merit but I think it lacks some key survival skills.

Just my take.

Weak Points.... Mesmers and Hammers....if theyre good... I dont care how clever you are ... they shred a meleemancer...thats been a painful one to learn.....theyre the ones you skirmish and try to get ya mates to kill.

Theres also touch ranger as their speed doesnt allow you to keep up even with transfer at full tilt AND you manage to snap one of their casts.

Personally I dont think theres such a thng as a Silver Bullet build thats a catch all Kill all solution,.... what there is though is a terrific melting pot of possibilities that when played as a TEAM game, novel builds like these work very well and can be very effective.