Curse

Shadow-Hunter · Sep 01, 2006, 05:56 PM // 17:56

i allways take it as the monks Job (or Mesmer or whoever is tanking).. Simpley becouse if the monk is running around and there is grasping and AAtxes around then the necro can easyly get killed if he tryes to get it.. But ofc if it spawns so the necro can wand it he should ofc help out with it.. But mainly the Monk.. Saying its only the necros Job is plain stupid.. sometimes the monk will aggro an aatxe, and then a nightmare spawns at the other end of the monks aggro circle... Should the necro run up besides the aatxe to wand the Nightmare? Ofc not..

Necro should help, but the monk should never blame the necro that a nightmare dident get killed..

~Shadow

ShaneOfMach · Sep 05, 2006, 05:57 AM // 05:57

Nightmares are a problem..

My build goes as:

Arcane Echo
Spiteful Spirit
Reckless Haste
(wild card)
Sympathetic Visage
Ancestrial Visage
Cry of Frustration/Power Drain
Res Sig

I just need to figure out something to put into that last spot, maybe something to kill nightmares faster?

and no, i do not want to add Awaken the Blood or Blood Ritual, as AtB is too energy costly and BR is a wasted slot

squan · Sep 05, 2006, 09:47 AM // 09:47

well i allways go like this
curses 16
illusion 10
rest in soul reaping

skills

reckless haste
echo
ss
des enchants
sv
av
br
rez

smites are so easy if you have SV and AV. just cast them both asap and cast
echo, ss, ss. in fact you wont need echo. you can also cast SS, reckles haste and a "finish him" des enchants. but that is not needed.
i tried to bring mark of pain, helps some times, but it brakes agro

Dark Tykane · Sep 05, 2006, 11:58 PM // 23:58

Mark of pain doesn't that make it when a foe is hit with physical damage all surrounding take damage? I dunno what would set this off unless your monk is attack a smite witha SoJ possibly on there. I never thought for one second this would help in 2 man but I was in a trap team a long long time ago and one of the trappers used it and said it did a lot of damage and they all run anyway.

Evls Pwn · Sep 22, 2006, 11:28 AM // 11:28

mark of pain would be usefull except for the fact that it counts as aoe damage, so enemies kite, meaning that they could potentially end up next to you >.<

Mr.Pickle · Sep 24, 2006, 10:38 PM // 22:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by squan

well i allways go like this
curses 16
illusion 10
rest in soul reaping

skills

reckless haste
echo
ss
des enchants
sv
av
br
rez

smites are so easy if you have SV and AV. just cast them both asap and cast
echo, ss, ss. in fact you wont need echo. you can also cast SS, reckles haste and a "finish him" des enchants. but that is not needed.
i tried to bring mark of pain, helps some times, but it brakes agro

Can't agree more about SV and AV together on bar. Although I don't agree in using both immediatly before first ss.

This is my setup:
echo
ss
defile enchant/ awaken blood (optional and open to improvement)
reckless haste
sv
av
distortion*
rez sig

Aside from echo and ss nothing on the bar should be above 10 energy.
AB has it's uses especially in large groups othwise I agree it's a waste of energy. Defile Enchantments at 10 energy works so atm haven't found better.

*My guild suggested me using distortion and since then found it to be a great addition to the bar. Using distortion I can round up loose groups of smites and in the event of a hairy situation it allows me escape or even to pull ataax and rez partner in a ninja like fashion. I try to avoid pug duo but it also helps in saving my ss bacon when foreign 55's no longer want u after we deal with nightmares.

Side note my best experiences have been guild run duo 50/50 with "600" monks.

ShaneOfMach · Sep 25, 2006, 12:39 AM // 00:39

Get domination magic to lvl 6, which would do around 53 damage with Power Spike. Interrupt the nightmare and shoot at it once = dead nightmare

Dark Tykane · Sep 25, 2006, 02:51 AM // 02:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Pickle

Can't agree more about SV and AV together on bar. Although I don't agree in using both immediatly before first ss.

This is my setup:
echo
ss
defile enchant/ awaken blood (optional and open to improvement)
reckless haste
sv
av
distortion*
rez sig

Aside from echo and ss nothing on the bar should be above 10 energy.
AB has it's uses especially in large groups othwise I agree it's a waste of energy. Defile Enchantments at 10 energy works so atm haven't found better.

*My guild suggested me using distortion and since then found it to be a great addition to the bar. Using distortion I can round up loose groups of smites and in the event of a hairy situation it allows me escape or even to pull ataax and rez partner in a ninja like fashion. I try to avoid pug duo but it also helps in saving my ss bacon when foreign 55's no longer want u after we deal with nightmares.

Side note my best experiences have been guild run duo 50/50 with "600" monks.

While i like bringing distortion and agree with you I don't agree with the way you use it...I use it and I can solo any group of attxes (4 or smaller) for the few seconds i will need for them to die from SS in the event of a dead 55 monk...

Mr.Pickle · Sep 26, 2006, 03:21 AM // 03:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Tykane

While i like bringing distortion and agree with you I don't agree with the way you use it...I use it and I can solo any group of attxes (4 or smaller) for the few seconds i will need for them to die from SS in the event of a dead 55 monk...

thx for including that addition to distortions many uses, I forgot that obvious one writing. The skill is is cheap and has broad applications for the ss in uw.

Undead Preacher · Sep 26, 2006, 07:18 AM // 07:18

you guys arn't sick of running UW yet, lol lame

maybe someday some new content will allow you to venture out of Toa for something challenging... if you consider uw and fow challenging...

Liv Von Stantvoort · Sep 26, 2006, 07:38 AM // 07:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undead Preacher

you guys arn't sick of running UW yet, lol lame

maybe someday some new content will allow you to venture out of Toa for something challenging... if you consider uw and fow challenging...

^^Lame

I think you'll find people do and will always do UW to farm ecto. Keep your negativity to your own private self-deprecation.

Liv.

Nice guide btw.

Undead Preacher · Sep 26, 2006, 09:15 AM // 09:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liv Von Stantvoort

^^Lame

I think you'll find people do and will always do UW to farm ecto. Keep your negativity to your own private self-deprecation.

Liv.

Nice guide btw.

FU

Guild Wars is the definition of Lame! Its a very poor excuse for an MMORPG, a cheap knockoff that only attracts gamers because it doesn't have a monthly fee. My point was people... myself included for a long time, have been farming UW and FOW since Guild Wars was released... and kept doing so through factions. Whats my point.... wheres the new content. I left and starting playing a real MMORPG [wow] and when I come back to the forums months later... nothings changed.... same LAME old game. And guess what, after this XPAC people will still be in Toa farming the UW and FOW.... because GWs is ridiculous and the "standalones" that take 1 day to beat are an embarresment to gaming. A year from now when I come back to the forums what will I see.... The newest and improved SS build for UW smite runs. SOUNDS LIKE FUN.... not

If you'de played a real MMORPG then you would understand where Im coming from. Refrain from commenting when Guild Wars is all you know. You have no idea how much your being ripped off. Your still paying 100 bucks a year for a "new lame" game every 6 months. You pay around 160 for WoW or EQ2 and After 1 1/2 years of gaming with the SAME character you will still have better gear to obtain and new things to do. NUFF SAID

cerb · Sep 26, 2006, 01:42 PM // 13:42

Sorry people, this guide is a little old. It was posted before Factions, and was never updated until then. While the strategies and builds provided still work, they are not the most efficient anymore.

I will try to update it and adapt it for Factions in the upcoming days, seeing it's still being read.

@Undead_Preacher: GW was never intented to be a MMORPG. Popular MMORPG's imply monthly fees, and this is exactly why the team we know as arena net seperated from Blizzard when the WoW project started to create Guild Wars. It is not a MMORPG, and this has been discussed many times. And yeah, people farm UW and FoW to make money. The sad thing is you played UW since GW was released and even a year later you were still bad and unefficient at it. Go back to playing real mmorpgs please. NUFF SAID

Btw, if you are wondering what I've been running since Factions:

A-Echo
SS (E)
Reckless Haste
SV
Desecrate Enchantments
Power Return
Power Drain
Res Sig

This is what I found to be most efficient in a Smite Run (includes Ice King and Unwanted Guests)
However, Desecrate Enchants/Power Drain could/will probably be switched for AV to speed up the runs (craziest aggros possible).. more info coming soon =)

natus · Sep 26, 2006, 02:19 PM // 14:19

People will, most likely, keep doing fow and uw to get ecto and shards, unless another source comes up.

Also, Oh the drama.

holden · Sep 26, 2006, 03:54 PM // 15:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undead Preacher

FU

Guild Wars is the definition of Lame! Its a very poor excuse for an MMORPG, a cheap knockoff that only attracts gamers because it doesn't have a monthly fee. My point was people... myself included for a long time, have been farming UW and FOW since Guild Wars was released... and kept doing so through factions. Whats my point.... wheres the new content. I left and starting playing a real MMORPG [wow] and when I come back to the forums months later... nothings changed.... same LAME old game. And guess what, after this XPAC people will still be in Toa farming the UW and FOW.... because GWs is ridiculous and the "standalones" that take 1 day to beat are an embarresment to gaming. A year from now when I come back to the forums what will I see.... The newest and improved SS build for UW smite runs. SOUNDS LIKE FUN.... not

If you'de played a real MMORPG then you would understand where Im coming from. Refrain from commenting when Guild Wars is all you know. You have no idea how much your being ripped off. Your still paying 100 bucks a year for a "new lame" game every 6 months. You pay around 160 for WoW or EQ2 and After 1 1/2 years of gaming with the SAME character you will still have better gear to obtain and new things to do. NUFF SAID

you sad little guy. im sorry you're not getting any attention on the warcraft forums.

really, who cares what you think. you informed us all in a 300 word post you were leaving, like we would care, and yet you regularly come back to see if anyone is reading your crap and to talk trash.

dont go away mad....just go away

forgive me, mod's

Shinigami God · Sep 27, 2006, 01:49 AM // 01:49

These builds look pretty interesting, and probably work well, but I find the SS/SV build in the "55/SS FoW - Team" in guildwiki works pretty well.

1. Spiteful Spirit
2. Sympathetic Visage
3. Arcane Echo
4. Desecrate Enchant.
5. Awaken the Blood
6. Blood Ritual
7. Reckless Haste
8. Resurrection Signet

Atts:
12+4+1 Curses
12 Illusion
Minor Blood and Soul Reaping and even distribution after that, I forget exact numbers

Before any battle: When monk has aggro, cast AtB then AE

Aatxes: Just use SS and RH in the best way possible to kill them simultaneously. Try to have the 2 hexed ones be hurting as many of the others as possible. If fighting a single aatxe (unlikely, but with some PuG monks it happens) just use SS twice.

Grasping Darknesses: As soon as the monk has aggro, cast SV on him (before using AtB and AE). Then, just echo SS on two of them (ones on opposite ends, as they tend to clump up) and they should die pretty fast, usually too fast for RH to be worth the energy it costs.

Both: Use your SS on the aatxes, should be pretty straightforward.

Smites: Cast SV on monk when he has aggro. Then use your AtB and AE while waiting 1 second between casting each (for SV to run it's course), then throw SS on the smites on two opposite ends. The smites should kill themselves pretty quickly from that point. If your monk is under a lot of pressure, then use DE to speed up the killing.

Coldfires: The most annoying, but echoing SS and applying RH and DE to them should be good. They're only bad if the monk isn't experienced and doesn't clump them.

Both: If the monk is good, he'll tuck them into colds, in which case you should kill the smites in the normal way and they'll take the colds with 'em. If the monk doesn't do that, then kill the colds unless the smites are in very large quantity.

That's basically all that my runs contain, maybe some dryders but those are pretty simple too if the monk clumps them together. Maybe this method is outdated, but it seems to work pretty well, and a lot of the monks I play with whisp me to play again, so I assume I'm doing ok

Undead Preacher · Sep 27, 2006, 06:31 AM // 06:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by cerb

Sorry people, this guide is a little old. It was posted before Factions, and was never updated until then. While the strategies and builds provided still work, they are not the most efficient anymore.

I will try to update it and adapt it for Factions in the upcoming days, seeing it's still being read.

@Undead_Preacher: GW was never intented to be a MMORPG. Popular MMORPG's imply monthly fees, and this is exactly why the team we know as arena net seperated from Blizzard when the WoW project started to create Guild Wars. It is not a MMORPG, and this has been discussed many times. And yeah, people farm UW and FoW to make money. The sad thing is you played UW since GW was released and even a year later you were still bad and unefficient at it. Go back to playing real mmorpgs please. NUFF SAID

Btw, if you are wondering what I've been running since Factions:

A-Echo
SS (E)
Reckless Haste
SV
Desecrate Enchantments
Power Return
Power Drain
Res Sig

This is what I found to be most efficient in a Smite Run (includes Ice King and Unwanted Guests)
However, Desecrate Enchants/Power Drain could/will probably be switched for AV to speed up the runs (craziest aggros possible).. more info coming soon =)

Lets see.... FU

How was I unefficient at farming ectos and shards. I soloed UW and FoW... which is something you STILL CAN'T do. There have been very few people who successfully could solo FoW with their 55 necros.... KCP of coarse being the first and the original.. but I also mastered it to the T. My point wasn't anything personal to any one individual... but two farming locations... uw and fow.... which can both be soloed.... they get old. My point was that they could give u guys more content... even add on to uw and fow, make them bigger, more challenging... anything.

Oh and for the Idiot who was talking the trash... I work midnights and do nothing but stare at the wall all night... but Im getting paid to do so and every once and a while I pop in to see whats new... its still disapponting to see that nothing is ever new with GWs.

Keep farming ectos... buy 6 sets of FIssure armor... the game still sucks..

Ruthless Merchant · Sep 27, 2006, 06:54 AM // 06:54

Woa ruthless vatos

First off Undead theres no point in posting your dislike for Guild Wars on GUILD WARS FORUMS!

But I do agree that farming the same spots for over the past year is more than enough reason to hate this game. Thank god for bots, did I say that

Ruthless Merchant · Sep 27, 2006, 06:55 AM // 06:55

double post

cerb · Sep 27, 2006, 11:14 AM // 11:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undead Preacher

Lets see.... FU

How was I unefficient at farming ectos and shards. I soloed UW and FoW... which is something you STILL CAN'T do. There have been very few people who successfully could solo FoW with their 55 necros.... KCP of coarse being the first and the original.. but I also mastered it to the T. My point wasn't anything personal to any one individual... but two farming locations... uw and fow.... which can both be soloed.... they get old. My point was that they could give u guys more content... even add on to uw and fow, make them bigger, more challenging... anything.

Oh and for the Idiot who was talking the trash... I work midnights and do nothing but stare at the wall all night... but Im getting paid to do so and every once and a while I pop in to see whats new... its still disapponting to see that nothing is ever new with GWs.

Keep farming ectos... buy 6 sets of FIssure armor... the game still sucks..

Who told you I can't solo UW or FoW? I just never posted a guide screaming "hey guys, I can copy my friend Kcp!", doesn't mean I cannot do it.

And if you're to keep saying this game sucks, I don't understand what are you still doing on these forums.