Curse

qscfuture · Jan 30, 2008, 09:52 PM // 21:52

Player 1: —/—

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- Resurrection Signet

Player 2: —/—

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Player 3: Necromancer/Elementalist

- Savannah Heat {E}
- Mark of Rodgort
- Signet of Corruption
- Lava Arrows
- Ebon Battle Standard of Wisdom
- Glyph of Sacrifice
- Meteor Shower
- Signet of Lost Souls

Player 4: Necromancer/Dervish

- Jagged Bones {E}
- Death Nova
- Animate Bone Minions
- Blood of the Master
- Conviction
- Mystic Regeneration
- Infuse Condition
- Signet of Lost Souls

Player 5: Necromancer/Ritualist

- Jagged Bones {E}
- Death Nova
- Animate Bone Minions
- Pure Was Li Ming
- Rip Enchantment
- Barbs
- Death Pact Signet
- Signet of Lost Souls

Player 6: Necromancer/Ritualist

- Spiteful Spirit {E}
- Reckless Haste
- Enfeebling Blood
- Signet of Corruption
- Rip Enchantment
- Barbs
- Death Pact Signet
- Signet of Lost Souls

Player 7: Necromancer/Ritualist

- Weapon of Remedy {E}
- Soothing Memories
- Mend Body and Soul
- Protective Was Kaolai
- Life
- Splinter Weapon
- Death Pact Signet
- Signet of Lost Souls

Player 8: Necromancer/Monk

- Shield of Regeneration {E}
- Signet of Devotion
- Protective Spirit
- Heal Party
- Reverse Hex
- Remove Hex
- Resurrection Chant
- Signet of Lost Souls

I'm working on a build that should be able to do most of the areas in game with little changes.
So far there are 2 more slots open and i would like to have some suggestions...

kel77 · Jan 30, 2008, 09:59 PM // 21:59

I had similar ideas after seeing how well additional necro's meshed with Sab's build.

Tha Dukk · Jan 30, 2008, 10:11 PM // 22:11

So pretty much a team with mad energy?

pygar · Jan 30, 2008, 10:15 PM // 22:15

Totally saw a guild rocking an almost entire team of necros in observer mode....and they were stomping people mercilessly, for several rounds....their opposition could not come up with any solution to the "1-2-3 life-drain spike" mob except for to flee in terror and wait for their death.(Honestly the gimmic was working because a lack of team play from their opponents, ppl just kept runnin at the mob practicly one at a time making it easy for the necro team to unify and eliminate them, usually in one spell burst-oddly they switched to a more balance build after several games probably recognizing their next opponent wouldnt fall so easily for the gimmic.....and lost.)

When any single class gets so powerful that you can just ignore other ones while making a 4 or 8 man team it's time for that class to get "nuke-nerfed" into the stoneage. I dunno if the team I saw was unbeatable by any stretch, but it was ugly to be sure.

Aside from that, I think the "jagged bones" builds were old PvP builds...but people arent very fond of Minion Masters in PvP- Firstly, if you cant get any corpses to exploit you cant rez anything, and secondly if a MM dies the minions go "wild" and start attacking anybody, it can backfire bigtime on you if you had a lot of minions running around when their master dies.

qscfuture · Jan 30, 2008, 11:36 PM // 23:36

its for pve and getting corpses is not so hard, just let the ele nuke the hell out of them necros get ps and shout wath out a little bit

pygar · Jan 30, 2008, 11:41 PM // 23:41

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Originally Posted by qscfuture

its for pve and getting corpses is not so hard, just let the ele nuke the hell out of them necros get ps and shout wath out a little bit

My bad, I saw the 8 person layout and assumed GvG. (wasnt watching what forum I was in)

If this is PvE, then you only need 4 people (not like theres a law against more), the "Sabway" build is supposedly so good at what it does that you can read a book or watch TV while vanquishing areas...and from what I can gather from just running one half baked MM in with my teams I bet it's true. ( I have avoided the "Sabway" build just because of all the people that say it is easy to the point of being boring...I dont like to lose, but I dont like to sleepwalk through victory either.) If what they say is true you could have 3 people on your team be the "Sabway" Necros and the other 5 players would be free to be whatever they want.

ZenRgy · Jan 30, 2008, 11:48 PM // 23:48

Signet of Devotion with no divine favour? I would change N/Mo 8 to be a little more useful, by bringing aegis or something.

I'd run a different fire necro, some of those skills are pretty sub-par. I'd stick with searing flames since SR feeds it so much energy.

Moloch Vein · Jan 30, 2008, 11:58 PM // 23:58

Better check the necromancer forum.

System_Crush · Jan 31, 2008, 10:33 AM // 10:33

The atributes of the N/D mm are too wide spread, currently it has to spend points in Death magic, soul reaping, earth prayers and curses.
DM has to be 12, earth has to be 8, that leaves either 10 in curses and 2 in soul reaping or 6 in curses 6 in soul reaping, either curses is to low or reaping is to low...

My following idea is probably crappy, but watE4...
For 1 and 2 you could go Vampire Assassins.
An A/N or N/A that used daggers with [skill=text]Order of the Vampire[/skill] to deal extra damage per hit. The speed of daggers allows you to use OotV as a heal instead of simply covering the sacrifice, especially with [wiki]Critical Agility[/wiki].
They use high additional damage dagger attacks and blood magic to achieve high armor ignoring damage per second.
A vampire uses soul reaping or critical strikes for energy gain, with the 2 minion bomber'ish setups soul reaping would offer more energy... I think.
Or 1 could be setup to use [skill=text]Order of Apostasy[/skill] instead, taking over the [skill=text]Barbs[/skill] and [skill=text]Mark of Pain[/skill] from the N/D mm, it would probably need energy gaining dagger attacks though.

Sab · Feb 04, 2008, 04:52 PM // 16:52

The team build has the same problem as the one posted in the Necro forums - beyond the Curses/Jagged/Healer, it a bunch of sub-par templates not made much better by sticking a Necro primary on the front. The N/E Fire guy is probably better off being a E/X with Attune/Glyph and some useful secondary utility. The N/Mo Prot isn't as good as a Mo/E Hybrid with Glyph. And I don't know why you'd want two MMs, outside of Vizunah or something.

For the free slots, I'd suggest a few Paragons to make use of Splinter/Barbs, and with Empathic/Expel to cover up for the lack of removal on the other guys (some combination of Cruel, SoR and DA on the other Paras). Maybe add an SV Nec with Orders or something, though I'm not sure what to do with the rest of the bar.

Cythean · Feb 22, 2008, 07:21 PM // 19:21

Sabway is a build best suited to handle difficult areas, but 8-man zones give you the 8 person cap for a reason. If you want an all necro build for running missions then your best bet is to get you and a friend to run heavy health degen while all of the rest of your party is filled with the sabway heroes. Or if you want to be extremely safe run four sabway N/Rt healer heroes, two sabway ss heroes, and then you and your friend MM'ing. After you get out of four person zones the sabway build can't really handle the pressure on its own.

Moloch Vein · Feb 27, 2008, 11:59 AM // 11:59

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Originally Posted by Sab

The N/Mo Prot isn't as good as a Mo/E Hybrid with Glyph.

If I ran the prot on a human, I'd go Mo/x. If I'm running it on a hero, I'd go N/Mo. The amount of spamming the hero will do will far outweigh the extra duration on the spells.

However, more or less all the templates suggested here are trash.

Marverick · Feb 27, 2008, 10:01 PM // 22:01

[skill]Signet of Lost Souls[/skill][skill]Psychic Distraction[/skill][skill]Shatter Hex[/skill][skill]Shatter Enchantment[/skill][skill]Mirror of Disenchantment[/skill][skill]Lyssa's Balance[/skill][skill]Mistrust[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

[skill]Signet of Lost Souls[/skill][skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Spirit Bond[/skill][skill]Divert Hexes[/skill][skill]Dismiss Condition[/skill][skill]Shield of Absorption[/skill][skill]Aegis[/skill][skill]Guardian[/skill]

swap Divert and Dismiss for RC and Reverse Hex depending on area

N/Mo is probably better than Mo/x on a hero for protection purposes provided that stuff is dying properly. Heroes tend to spam stuff often and that doesn't really work well on a Monk with no inherent energy management.