Curse

KoleAurow 23 · May 14, 2008, 11:41 AM // 11:41

I see sometimes people using those 3 necros that are unbeatable together. I also saw a post about 6 or 7 before this one about it. That person doesnt want the builds, but I do. lol

So if anyone could help me out it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

jiggles · May 14, 2008, 11:48 AM // 11:48

Who ever told you they are unbeatable is wrong, theyre just really good

as for the builds themselves
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Te...Necro_Vanquish

Gift3d · May 14, 2008, 11:50 AM // 11:50

Minion master with Jagged Bones/bone minions, Spiteful Spirit necro with Enfeebling Blood, and a N/Rt healer with Life/PwK.

Those are the essentials, you can literally fill the rest with skills of your own personal preference and still wreck just about anything.

madmax0877 · May 14, 2008, 01:07 PM // 13:07

The actual thread is a few threads down. Synergizing Hero Builds is the title, I believe. Second post is by Sab (hence the name of the build being Sabway). She updatd the build on the 3rd of this month. Of course, there is talk of changing it again with Dwayna's Sorrow becoming more effective.

I would STRONGLY suggest you keep up with that thread (don't read 29 pages, but keep up with edit dates on Sab's builds and change accordingly), and check the necro forums for the post relating to Dwayna's Sorrow as well. All in all, it's pretty insightful, and I BELIEVE the pvx builds are a little behind (I think they're from the first build Sab put out).

KoleAurow 23 · May 14, 2008, 01:57 PM // 13:57

I know they are definitely beatable, but I was just hoping you knew what I meant...which you did. lol

KoleAurow 23 · May 15, 2008, 01:09 AM // 01:09

What henchies should I take with me?

shru · May 15, 2008, 01:59 AM // 01:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by madmax0877

The actual thread is a few threads down. Synergizing Hero Builds is the title, I believe. Second post is by Sab (hence the name of the build being Sabway). She updatd the build on the 3rd of this month. Of course, there is talk of changing it again with Dwayna's Sorrow becoming more effective.

I would STRONGLY suggest you keep up with that thread (don't read 29 pages, but keep up with edit dates on Sab's builds and change accordingly), and check the necro forums for the post relating to Dwayna's Sorrow as well. All in all, it's pretty insightful, and I BELIEVE the pvx builds are a little behind (I think they're from the first build Sab put out).

You don't have to hang on every word Sab says. Yes, she is a great player and the PvE community owes a lot to her, but you don't have to wait for her to tell you what to run to make it "official". Use what ever you want and what ever you find effective for the areas you're currently in. There's no need to wait for Sab to tell you to change your build.
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Quote:

Originally Posted by KoleAurow 23

What henchies should I take with me?

Henchies realy depend on what area you're in. The only thing you should realy try for is a prot monk, the rest is up to you.

Introverted Dimensions · May 15, 2008, 02:21 AM // 02:21

While we're on topic, Is it just me or is the n/rt healer not that great? I've compared it with my hb dunk and it blows it away, i mean yeah the free energy from soul reaping is great but he really isn't doing much imo.

madmax0877 · May 15, 2008, 03:29 AM // 03:29

Eh, the original poster asked specifically about Sab's build, I pointed him to the post.

Also, the second post I pointed out doesn't have a single post from Sab.

Richardt · May 15, 2008, 04:34 AM // 04:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by trx despair

While we're on topic, Is it just me or is the n/rt healer not that great? I've compared it with my hb dunk and it blows it away, i mean yeah the free energy from soul reaping is great but he really isn't doing much imo.

The N/Rt fails when you're getting dealt spike damage. For that you can't beat a monk. The entire concept behind Sabway is that it's the minions getting beat on and not you-so in reality it's the minions getting spiked while you mop up whatever wasn't killed by them exploding.

That's why when you H/H with Sabway, it's recommended to take the Prot Henchy-while the AI sucks at the prot line of spells, they're usually able to fumble around and save the majority of the team from heavy damage.

Introverted Dimensions · May 15, 2008, 04:37 AM // 04:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richardt

The N/Rt fails when you're getting dealt spike damage. For that you can't beat a monk. The entire concept behind Sabway is that it's the minions getting beat on and not you-so in reality it's the minions getting spiked while you mop up whatever wasn't killed by them exploding.

With that being said, Wouldn't it have just been better to simply take maybe a hybrid monk rather than the n/rt that apparently is only useful when not up against spike dmg. As the regular one would be better all around I guess?

Richardt · May 15, 2008, 04:52 AM // 04:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by trx despair

With that being said, Wouldn't it have just been better to simply take maybe a hybrid monk rather than the n/rt that apparently is only useful when not up against spike dmg. As the regular one would be better all around I guess?

The problem with hero and henchy monks is that they're terrible at energy management. Their first reaction to any damage is "ZOMG! SPAM HEAL!" and it's not long before they run out of energy.

Don't get me wrong-I love the N/Rt and use a variant when I vanq on my paragon. But when you get a chance you need to pair it with either:

1) Another damage reducer (whether it's a minion wall, SY!, bonding etc.)
2) A secondary healer to cover spikes

As it currently stands, Sabway relies on the Enemy AI seeing that mob of low level minions and since they like hitting on defenseless people first, they'll wail on them. And if you combine that with say the Prot and Healer Henchy, nothing in your party should really be dying (except the minions

).

And really the 2 extra monks aren't there so much to make up for the N/Rt, it's more to cover their own butts. Otherwise they'll just misuse their energy pool and just stand there watching the party die. In addition, the prot henchy will prevent the party from getting spiked to heavily, allowing the N/Rt to do it's job even better.

When we use the N/Rt, we almost are always able to pair them with another monk or another N/Rt and we've never had a problem (except for Jotun in HM...gotta have a second monk for that).

EDIT: Hopefully I made more sense....if not I apologize-after all it's past my bed time

DarkSpirit · May 15, 2008, 06:53 AM // 06:53

With the recent AI update, I replaced the N/Rt healer with another MM bomber (healing based) anyway and it has worked well for me. More Soul Reaping goodness with twice the number of minions, healing from Dwayna Sorrow on 20 minions, twice the damage, and twice the damage mitigation.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...92#post3958492

Mr Pink57 · May 16, 2008, 12:28 AM // 00:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by trx despair

While we're on topic, Is it just me or is the n/rt healer not that great? I've compared it with my hb dunk and it blows it away, i mean yeah the free energy from soul reaping is great but he really isn't doing much imo.

You do realize you compared a HB bar to a resto bar? The max heal on a resto with minor runes is going to be 156 while an HB bar can exceed over 300hp heals if conditions are met....

pink

Introverted Dimensions · May 16, 2008, 04:53 AM // 04:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richardt

The problem with hero and henchy monks is that they're terrible at energy management. Their first reaction to any damage is "ZOMG! SPAM HEAL!" and it's not long before they run out of energy.

Don't get me wrong-I love the N/Rt and use a variant when I vanq on my paragon. But when you get a chance you need to pair it with either:

1) Another damage reducer (whether it's a minion wall, SY!, bonding etc.)
2) A secondary healer to cover spikes

As it currently stands, Sabway relies on the Enemy AI seeing that mob of low level minions and since they like hitting on defenseless people first, they'll wail on them. And if you combine that with say the Prot and Healer Henchy, nothing in your party should really be dying (except the minions

).

And really the 2 extra monks aren't there so much to make up for the N/Rt, it's more to cover their own butts. Otherwise they'll just misuse their energy pool and just stand there watching the party die. In addition, the prot henchy will prevent the party from getting spiked to heavily, allowing the N/Rt to do it's job even better.

When we use the N/Rt, we almost are always able to pair them with another monk or another N/Rt and we've never had a problem (except for Jotun in HM...gotta have a second monk for that).

EDIT: Hopefully I made more sense....if not I apologize-after all it's past my bed time

I see

i run the following

monk(myself)
rt/n minion bomber
n/rt healer
n/x curses

have a hell of a difficult time vanqing some 4man areas.

Richardt · May 16, 2008, 05:21 AM // 05:21

Since you're a monk, I would recommend switching out the N/Rt Healer for something like a paragon hero or a warrior hero.

That might do the trick.

Adja1005 · May 16, 2008, 08:26 AM // 08:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by trx despair

I see

i run the following

monk(myself)
rt/n minion bomber
n/rt healer
n/x curses

have a hell of a difficult time vanqing some 4man areas.

Since your a Monk i'd suggest going the "My Paragon Buddies" thread route and using 2 Paragon heroes and keep the minion bomber. As a monk you should be able to cover the party healing, the two para's lay down the damage and provide party support while the minion bomber just adds extra support through minions to take care of those mobs.

Terrokian · May 16, 2008, 09:34 AM // 09:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by madmax0877

The actual thread is a few threads down. Synergizing Hero Builds is the title, I believe. Second post is by Sab (hence the name of the build being Sabway). She updatd the build on the 3rd of this month. Of course, there is talk of changing it again with Dwayna's Sorrow becoming more effective.

I would STRONGLY suggest you keep up with that thread (don't read 29 pages, but keep up with edit dates on Sab's builds and change accordingly), and check the necro forums for the post relating to Dwayna's Sorrow as well. All in all, it's pretty insightful, and I BELIEVE the pvx builds are a little behind (I think they're from the first build Sab put out).

Sabway is definitely a very POWERFUL group.And pretty much any search on Sabway will bring it up.Also you are right again.Wiki is a great info tool,but the builds there are starting to become antiquated due to game changes.I run a hybrid of Sabway just due to personal style of play myself.Didn't know Sab was a woman so KUDOS to her for what is probably the most popular group build in the game.

DarkSpirit · May 16, 2008, 03:21 PM // 15:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by trx despair

I see

i run the following

monk(myself)
rt/n minion bomber
n/rt healer
n/x curses

have a hell of a difficult time vanqing some 4man areas.

You can use Sab's 4-man version:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...63&postcount=2)

illidan009 · May 19, 2008, 10:42 PM // 22:42

Dang Sab is good...even gets her own way! Those builds are mad useful in many areas of the game O_o