Curse

Tyla · Jul 24, 2008, 07:54 PM // 19:54

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Originally Posted by komma

d'uh and you do know that every tom dick and harry that cant create a build for themselves goes to wiki to find something to suit them. therefore meaning the majority of the game population (which does use wiki for builds) are playing and running the same builds, so when something different comes along its like oh noes what are you running....i think your heads would explode if you saw my 55 paragon build.

Originality =/= Potential.

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actually AP is very cookie cutter and it is used to tank and spank just like most AP builds.

Oh, because people were SF E/Mo/A's now? Oh, and two elite slots. GG.

And if his AP/MoP build was used in Tank'N'Spank where does the damage come from? Usually the damage in Tank'N'Spank comes from the Elementalists, or Necromancers or mid-liners set to full damage?

PS: Holy shit, is it just me or are me and Moloch on the same side of this argument?

komma · Jul 24, 2008, 07:58 PM // 19:58

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

But you must understand that being original because you want to be different does NOT make you or your build good.

no the build makes me good since its probably the highest dps ss build out there. it deals way more dmg than the above posted wiki build anyday, but then again that build has support which i do not.

Moloch Vein · Jul 24, 2008, 07:59 PM // 19:59

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Come on, Reading comprehension?

["There's Nothing to Fear!"] + [Incoming] > [Enfeebling Blood] on curses necromancer is wrong

Key points:

1 elite slot + 1 pve only slot << 1 normal skill slot
2 skills providing 1/2 together coverage << 1 skill providing 24/7 coverage
2 skills stacked doing same thing for 1/4 of coverage << 1 skill doing same thing 24/7
X-points in command << No extra needed points anywhere.
Being N/P << Being N/Any

Yes, that's what I thought you were saying. Now I can respond.

What the [build prof=Any/P Command=10][Incoming][There's nothing to fear][Air of Superiority][/build] trio does is this:

4 seconds of 50% + 4 seconds 33% straight damage decrease (from everything). The recharge is 20 seconds so that's 40% uptime minimum, plus it can be chained with a hero Paragon or two.

Two shouts that end after 4 seconds to trigger On-Shout effects.

One straight party-wide heal at the end of [There's nothing to fear].

Chance for premature recharge of these skills and any other skills on your bar through [Air of superiority].

You must've mistaken me when it comes to Enfeebling Blood and the likes. I'd always run a couple of those skills in my config. Sometimes, however, you want more. If your elite isn't crucial to you (it rarely is to me as a necromancer) it's a viable option.

None of this is very meaningful if you run with a P/W PvE player.

[Edit: Why does "Com" in a /P build show up as Communing??

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zwei2stein · Jul 24, 2008, 08:07 PM // 20:07

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Originally Posted by Moloch Vein

Yes, that's what I thought you were saying. Now I can respond.

What the [build prof=Any/P Com=10][Incoming][There's nothing to fear][Air of Superiority][/build] trio does is this:

4 seconds of 50% + 4 seconds 33% straight damage decrease (from everything). The recharge is 20 seconds so that's 40% uptime minimum, plus it can be chained with a hero Paragon or two.

Two shouts that end after 4 seconds to trigger On-Shout effects.

One straight party-wide heal at the end of [There's nothing to fear].

Chance for premature recharge of these skills and any other skills on your bar through [Air of superiority].

You must've mistaken me when it comes to Enfeebling Blood and the likes. I'd always run a couple of those skills in my config. Sometimes, however, you want more. If your elite isn't crucial to you (it rarely is to me as a necromancer) it's a viable option.

None of this is very meaningful if you run with a P/W PvE player.

Oh, sorry, major piece of puzzle, your Air of superiority, was missing!

This setup is actually impressive if you get enough triggers of Air.

Tyla · Jul 24, 2008, 08:08 PM // 20:08

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Originally Posted by komma

no the build makes me good since its probably the highest dps ss build out there. it deals way more dmg than the above posted wiki build anyday, but then again that build has support which i do not.

Then why isn't it the biggest talk on the forums? I mean, most of the decent PvE population of the game post in this forum. If it was really good it would be discussed about quite heavily.

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Originally Posted by Moloch

[Edit: Why does "Com" in a /P build show up as Communing?? ]

The Ritualist is an earlier profession than the Paragon.

komma · Jul 24, 2008, 08:14 PM // 20:14

again it all comes back to play style....most of you say you bring supportive skills and such, while im offense oriented only. if you have a necro then give it a try...you will see when enemies are melting before you. and tbh i would rather have the negative feedback on the build then it will never be on wiki.

Tyla · Jul 24, 2008, 08:33 PM // 20:33

Isn't it obvious how the outcome of this build would be in PvE?
Especially since I use Sabway the majority of the time and use SS, and I believe Moloch has alot of experience in terms of Necromancers.

Oh, and the reason it's getting such negative feedback on the forum is because you're concentrating too much on damage when you don't need that many slots to kill PvE.

NuclearDope · Jul 24, 2008, 09:08 PM // 21:08

You know, the only reason anyone has become even slightly hostile towards you is because you refuse to take anyone else's opinion in the first place.

Basically, it's a bad bar, mesmer skills such as Backfire and Empathy do not belong on a curse bar. They were merely trying to offer suggestions to help you, but you have maintained a very ignorant attitude, if you'd at least try their suggestions and say 'I prefer my old build' you'd at least have given more knowledgeable players a chance.

Also the part about you running a 'superior' SS build wether we can fathom it or not pretty much sums up exactly why you've received negative comments.

SnipiousMax · Jul 24, 2008, 09:49 PM // 21:49

*Closed*

Thread was getting a little heated, and the discussion stagnated. Closing for now.