Curse

kupp · Dec 03, 2008, 07:10 PM // 19:10

I've been playing with my Necro for awhile, finished NF and factions, and I do like him, made vanquishing easier, but now I'm getting bored with him.

There's 2 things different things I need in this thread:

1. PvE builds

I've done 95% of the game with this build

[build=OAhjYwHc4M5Bh2eoMYJsD7OMOA]

Now I feel like experimenting with the other lines, are there any good blood/death builds out there to get a general idea of how to go? Most builds I've seen on PvX are support builds and I'm going for a damage dealer. I'd hate to know that that the above is the peak of a necro's damage capacity. So is there anything like that, that I can experiment with? Because that build really is that good and wouldn't want to change into something less efficient as well, but in any case, I need some thoughts on this one to at least get started. Help me take advantage of the necro's power

2. Farming

Let me just say it's been a long time since I farmed anything in pve. I've seen now some 55 necros and couple of builds, and again after some browsing through PvX couldn't find anything I see fit for me. I'm not talking about soloing UW, at least for now. I only want some light farming builds, and places where I could farm as well. I'm particularly interested in destroyer cores in Glint's Challenge, but anything will do really.

Also, since elementalists are farming machines in a lot of places, I was wondering, if is it viable to use their farming builds in a necro (obviously as long as it only uses ele/necro skills)? Don't mind if takes a few seconds longer to get a run done, just wondering if it's possible at all. If yes, I'm off to get some builds of PvX once again.

Thanks!

Calista Blackblood · Dec 03, 2008, 07:36 PM // 19:36

First:Necromancers are a support class,should have read the small print.And no that build certainly isnt the peak of damage capability through your support.

[by urals hammer][great dwarf weapon] BuH also increases the dmg on your standard curses bar, GDW is soo awesome for further buffing physicals

[finish him][you move like a dwarf] work awesome in an [assassins promise] build.as do [ebon vanguard sniper support] + [ebon vanguard assassin support]

Death builds are quite generic,[order of undeath] on a human MM and maybe [ebon battle standard of honor](if it still applies to minions)

Blood is meh,the whole line needs to much of a rework to be worth suggesting

Try the Rilohn refuge spider farm build,theres also a full HP build that uses object blocking to SS/SV bosses through walls,shadowsteps and such to get drops.

Or if all else fails there are builds on guru somewhere for farming raptors outside rata sum

Theres much more but im too busy getting drunk in game

Shadowmere · Dec 03, 2008, 09:26 PM // 21:26

for pve builds there's a ton of em that work great for necros, your build is pretty solid but not near the peak of what a necro can do with damage.

in curses there's a lot more than SS.

you might try [assassin's promise][barbs][mark of pain]+some goood physical/MM heroes things will die very fast and you'll be always ready with another MoP

Also, while not as potent [feast of corruption] can still be fun and effective with tightly packed enemies.

in death, [order of undeath] MM is amazing, I do believe [ebon battle standard of honor] still affects minions, the two toegether make for some very impressive numbers for minions.

there's also [discord] in death but [necrosis] is pretty much a non-elite version that dosen't require the death spec, either way they're spammable armor ignoring spells that pack a good punch. very good for direct damage.

in blood...well...there's [spoil victor] which = win vs high health bossess but otherwise blood is best used for support builds, stuff like [blood is power],[order of pain],[dark fury] etc. don't try and rely on lifesteal skills to do damage, they just don't pack enough hurt and also make rather mediocre self heals (an exception may be [vampiric spirit] easily maintainable +10 regen isn't a bad way to cover sac costs)

For farming builds, most necro builds I've seen are 55 variants using SS or SV, they're just as effecitive as their monk counterparts. But there are likley others, I'm not to up on farming.

My Lipgloss is Cool · Dec 03, 2008, 11:42 PM // 23:42

For farming, Fuzzy Taco's thread is still good.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10259746

kupp · Dec 04, 2008, 07:55 PM // 19:55

Thanks for your help, but apart from the blood life stealing, everything you posted was about buffing physicals, and that's what I was trying to get away from. I've been running the whole time with an MM + heavy physical team, granted it's pretty good but every skill you added is simply intended to buff even further those physicals...

Isn't there something else I can go with? Okay maybe not the blood line if it's not really that good, but what about conditions, poison disease etc, degen for example. Or... Something else really, you certainly know more than I do

@ My Lipgloss is Cool: thank you! That guide is pretty handy didn't even knew there was something like that, gonna give me a try to a few builds!

Calista Blackblood · Dec 04, 2008, 08:15 PM // 20:15

Direct armor ignoring shadow damage always >degen and conditions. Fast killing in PvE is almost always(SR timer) better than taking ages

Something could maybe be worked with [well of power] and stuff like [ebon battle standard of honor] orders type build

[well of power][ebon battle standard of honor][order of pain][dark fury] Meh I'm just brainstorming

[spoil victor] Could be stapled on the end of a curse bar,but I can't see any reason to change from AoE armor ignoring damage ala [spiteful spirit] to single target life loss

/scratch head

kupp · Dec 04, 2008, 08:22 PM // 20:22

That's true but that's the point of this thread... Wanted something different, but as efficient as shadow damage and curses

but thanks for the replies anw!

edit: only read your edit now, well thanks I guess it's worth a shot and I'll try my own stuff and see if I can come up with something viable!

Xenomortis · Dec 06, 2008, 12:02 AM // 00:02

Well buffing physicals and providing casters with energy is all the blood line is really good for. Everything else in it is basically crap - it has the most damage oriented skills in the necromancer lines and yet is the least suited for such a thing.

You could try death magic for damage, but a lot of that is cold damage.
A Discord team set up is brilliant though - you run [Assassin's Promise] [You move like a dwarf] and [Finish Him] - bring along [Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support] and [Mark of Pain] if you want and give your 3 necro heroes [Discord] and whatever else - things die quick.

[Mark of Pain] pretty much the epitomy of damage if used well.

I suppose if you wanted to tap into the blood line:
[Vampiric Spirit][Blood of the aggressor][Jaundiced Gaze][Order of Pain][Dark Fury][Foul Feast][Plague Sending] perhaps. The sac might get a bit heavy if your enemies start dropping a lot below your health.
You could replace one of those for [Blood Ritual] to give your casters some energy. Even so, I don't think the above would be very efficient.

ShadBox · Dec 18, 2008, 03:40 PM // 15:40

This is my build right now, using it with other 3 Necros, making a Cuatrinecro :P

Necro SS
[build name="SSHEX" prof=N/Rt curses=12+1+3 soulreaping=13 restaurationmagic= 3 ][spiteful spirit][necrosis][suffering][parasitic bond][signet of corruption (kurzick)][Reckless Haste][Enfeebling Blood][flesh of my flesh] [/build]

Khasar · Dec 18, 2008, 04:36 PM // 16:36

Well if you want farming you can still do the old SS/55 farm setup or if you're more into solo but dont want the UW you could try Stone Elementals in ascalon. They drop some ok things and some rare crafting materials as well.

As for using ele skills, the only problem I see if how you are going to survive because idk if you'll be able to terratank or not without being a primary ele. Also, alot of ele farms need a mes or monk secondary.

You could try using Mist Form with Glyph of Swiftness but I'm not sure that can be maintained with only 12 water. If it does that would open up alot of meele farm to you.