Curse

cellardweller · Dec 17, 2008, 09:23 AM // 09:23

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Originally Posted by Calista BlackBlood

-Lotus- I've never heard of any human MM's that can reliably pick out x [animate bone minions] and throw [death nova] on them. Maybe you have the godlike reflexes of a hero and can cover them all?

Using Combos like [jagged bones][dwayna's sorrow][death nova][feast for the dead] work ok for humans at the expense of the signifcant dps of oou... but I'd still use fiends as the summon of choice even in this case.

zwei2stein · Dec 17, 2008, 10:40 AM // 10:40

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Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood

Can't use that with OoU on my bar as well, does it work if a hero uses it?

No, but it is superior to OoU as long at it works with minions, especially for you because it increases amount of triggers of damage boosts by 50%

Carinae · Dec 17, 2008, 10:32 PM // 22:32

I have another minion IAS in mind.

Carinae · Dec 18, 2008, 12:39 AM // 00:39

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

looks like you decided to use 11-specced Signet of Ghostly Might. that IAS is really worth it

Signet of Ghostly Might does NOT affect minions. I just tested it with a 15 spec communing.

No IAS, No damage bonus.

It shouldn't affect them anyway, from the description, but it definitely does NOT affect them in practice.

EDIT: Nor does it affect Winnowing.

zwei2stein · Dec 18, 2008, 09:38 AM // 09:38

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Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood

Signet of Ghostly Might does NOT affect minions. I just tested it with a 15 spec communing.

No IAS, No damage bonus.

It shouldn't affect them anyway, from the description, but it definitely does NOT affect them in practice.

EDIT: Nor does it affect Winnowing.

Stupid question: Was person using SOGM the same as owner of minions?

(Different ISA affecting minions? I am curious)

Carinae · Dec 18, 2008, 11:05 PM // 23:05

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Stupid question: Was person using SOGM the same as owner of minions?

Yep, it was me. I ran it for several minutes, it never worked. Then I ran a second test on a Rt/R hero with SOGM and Winnowing, no help for Winnowing.

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

(Different ISA affecting minions? I am curious)

AFAIK there is only one IAS for minions. It's sneaky. Anyone guess what it is?

FoxBat · Dec 18, 2008, 11:37 PM // 23:37

[Volfen Blessing]

The Meth · Dec 18, 2008, 11:41 PM // 23:41

Chimera of Intensity and Kilroy Stonekin! work I believe. Perhaps if enemies in HM raise minions and you steal them they retain their buffs? Reckless haste would be an IAS if you lose minions, cast it, then regain them, but it would lower DPS. The Wolf PvE skill also has the shout that improves IAS. That's the only one I can find workable against master of damage.

syphonus · Dec 18, 2008, 11:41 PM // 23:41

[Reckless Haste] and [Verata's Gaze]? Dunno why you'd want to though.

MisterB · Dec 18, 2008, 11:43 PM // 23:43

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Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood

Yep, it was me. I ran it for several minutes, it never worked. Then I ran a second test on a Rt/R hero with SOGM and Winnowing, no help for Winnowing.

AFAIK there is only one IAS for minions. It's sneaky. Anyone guess what it is?

[Verata's Aura] with self-target enchant strip.
[Reckless Haste]
[Verata's Aura] again.
Pretty clunky, though. Is there something better/easier?

Volfen Bloodlust?

Carinae · Dec 19, 2008, 12:45 AM // 00:45

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Originally Posted by MisterB

Volfen Bloodlust?

Well done!!!

Carinae · Dec 19, 2008, 01:02 AM // 01:02

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Originally Posted by MisterB

[Verata's Aura] with self-target enchant strip.
[Reckless Haste]
[Verata's Aura] again.
Pretty clunky, though.

As an aside, you can all do some pretty funky things with [Verata's Aura][Contemplation of purity]

Things like hex allies, and enchant enemies. Think about it.

....

I am also looking for a way to stick a condition on an allied, non-attackable NPC. If anyone has a way, let me know.

The Meth · Dec 19, 2008, 03:23 AM // 03:23

It won't be workable against master of damage, but you could try casting either [Fevered Dreams] or [Contagion] on a hostile minion, then capturing that minion. Depending on how it works, if a hostile enemy put a condition on the minion it might spread to all allies. It depends on whether the hex checks and spreads conditions to enemies of the caster or to allies of the target it was cast on.

That's the only idea I could think of.

How do you enchant enemies or hex allies with verata's/cop? You can put a hex or enchant on the minion, but you can't move it afaik to your allies or enemies. Unless if you start enchanting a target then it changes sides in between, your enchant might land on enemies, but I think the spell would just fizzle.

Carinae · Dec 19, 2008, 03:36 AM // 03:36

This is just an example:

Self-applied (even team applied) poison:
Minion->Verata's Aura->Death Nova->CoP---->kill minion

You can invert hexes/enchants. Rarely useful, but sometimes comes in handy. It truly is the Dark Arts.

The Meth · Dec 19, 2008, 04:40 AM // 04:40

Ehh, I knew that. I thought you meant literally putting an enchantment on an enemy somehow, not just putting it on a minion and relying on an AoE effect of the enchantment.

zwei2stein · Dec 19, 2008, 03:20 PM // 15:20

My mind just went *kaboom*.

Shame this is not really worth it for Shatter-X Stuff.