Curse

Zodiac Meteor · Jan 04, 2009, 05:23 AM // 05:23

I recently got an elite necro tome drop. I decided to use it instead of sell.
I have [ss] and [discord].

I want either [well of power] or [spoil victor].

My necro is from the NF campaign. [[well of power] is pretty lengthy and time consuming to get it, I haven't left LA yet I would have to find a runner to droks. Then from Rankor fight my way to Granite Cathedral. Then I fight my way to mineral springs and search one of 6 area's it could spawn. It is super tedious to get to and time consuming.

[[Spoil victor] is powerful against those high powered bosses. Plus, I'm half way to getting it. Should I just get it now?

Lyynyyrd · Jan 04, 2009, 05:35 AM // 05:35

Get Well of Power!

TheOrangeFalcon · Jan 04, 2009, 05:56 AM // 05:56

WoP for sure.

Owik Gall · Jan 04, 2009, 07:20 AM // 07:20

If your close to capping Spoil Victor than Well of Power, then it's best you use the tome on Well of Power. Since you said Spoil Victor is easier to cap, it's common sense to tome the other skill. What more need I prove to you?

andy antagonist72 · Jan 04, 2009, 07:43 AM // 07:43

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Originally Posted by Owik Gall

If your close to capping Spoil Victor than Well of Power, then it's best you use the tome on Well of Power. Since you said Spoil Victor is easier to cap, it's common sense to tome the other skill. What more need I prove to you?

yeah.. basically what he said

Xx Da Best Xx · Jan 04, 2009, 07:52 AM // 07:52

Eh dont waste money on tomes...It feels better if you cap it yourself

. Tomes, for me, are only a last resort.

Bob Slydell · Jan 04, 2009, 08:50 AM // 08:50

WoP, I used to use it a lot on my Mo/N Heroes AWESOME skill.

I'm currently in progress of capping it (which means im not...... just.. will get around to it..eventually.. lol)

Icy The Mage · Jan 04, 2009, 10:05 AM // 10:05

[Feast of Corruption] If you don't have it... tome it... because it's a dick to capture...

Xenomortis · Jan 04, 2009, 10:53 AM // 10:53

Not sure why you'd want [Well of Power].
It's not particularly useful and is usually surpassed by other skills.
Cap [Spoil Victor] - it isn't too hard.

[Order of Undeath] is nice and is hard to cap - the boss is with a nasty mob.
[Feast of Corruption] requires a long trek, but is seldom used as an elite.

Luminarus · Jan 04, 2009, 11:45 AM // 11:45

Order of Undeath is an easy cap... my vote is FoC because its a beast to cap, the only elite I used a tome for in leg skill hunter (simply coz im lazy). On the other hand, ur necro will probably eventually reach thk, from which point it isnt that big a deal for WoP, not to mention it isnt that great at any rate. If u need the HP regen well of blood does the same. If you need the energy regen bip is better. Hell, BR is fine. Not worth elite status imho.

mmgambit · Jan 04, 2009, 03:26 PM // 15:26

I dont know what Xeno is talking about with FoC. I would say like everyone else to cap FoC because it is such a beech to cap. My vote for FoC is also because it IS effective. Any type of cryway build is 100 times better when you echo FoC because it does so much more damage at 16 curse. And there are plenty of skills with mesmer such as auspicious incantation that will help you keep your energy levels up. Or if you have the 3 necro hero builds use a jagged bomber, n/rt healer, and a variation of the discord hybrid build that is out there that replaces discord with BiP. The hero uses it very well but in order for it to be very effective make sure they are runed up.

Calista Blackblood · Jan 04, 2009, 03:43 PM // 15:43

[feast of corruption] Why? Damage on a 20sec rc that isn't exactly ground breaking.Yeah great in cryer builds as hexes are climbing the walls,but that's about it.Has no real viable use elsewhere.Avoid IMO

[well of power] Why? I'd rather have a minion master/bomber eating corpses than a well based [healing breeze] Direct healing always wins over regen. Also [blood ritual] and decent monks will outclass WoP and save your elite slot and corpses

[Spoil victor] Hmm.Nice in situations where it's party vs boss but the 12+1+x points pooling to get the most out of it gimps the rest of the bar.If you're smart,you won't run blood magic trash along with it

In all honesty I would wait and cap [spoil victor] sell the tome and either use the money for an elite sin tome for [assassins promise] or go cap it.

It's awesome that the strongest elite for a necro bar isn't even one of their own

mmgambit · Jan 04, 2009, 03:56 PM // 15:56

Calista i never thought of that elite for a necro bar. u use it with curse i would assume or with some other bar?

Calista Blackblood · Jan 04, 2009, 04:02 PM // 16:02

[assassins promise][barbs][rigor mortis][mark of pain][rend enchantments][you move like a dwarf][finish him]

Pretty much curses+PvE skills if available

Xenomortis · Jan 04, 2009, 10:47 PM // 22:47

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Originally Posted by Calista BlackBlood

[feast of corruption] Why? Damage on a 20sec rc that isn't exactly ground breaking.Yeah great in cryer builds as hexes are climbing the walls,but that's about it.Has no real viable use elsewhere.Avoid IMO

[well of power] Why? I'd rather have a minion master/bomber eating corpses than a well based [healing breeze] Direct healing always wins over regen. Also [blood ritual] and decent monks will outclass WoP and save your elite slot and corpses

[Spoil victor] Hmm.Nice in situations where it's party vs boss but the 12+1+x points pooling to get the most out of it gimps the rest of the bar.If you're smart,you won't run blood magic trash along with it

In all honesty I would wait and cap [spoil victor] sell the tome and either use the money for an elite sin tome for [assassins promise] or go cap it.

It's awesome that the strongest elite for a necro bar isn't even one of their own

This was pretty much my line of thought. Except I wouldn't waste a tome on [Assassin's Promise], because it is a really easy cap.

[Feast of Corruption] is nice if you're running with a team that's based on the skills that compliment - notably cryer groups. Otherwise, it's useless.

Basically, if you think you can cap it, cap it and don't waste tomes.

Daesu · Jan 05, 2009, 01:25 AM // 01:25

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Originally Posted by Calista BlackBlood

[assassins promise][barbs][rigor mortis][mark of pain][rend enchantments][you move like a dwarf][finish him]

Pretty much curses+PvE skills if available

Close enough to mine:

[AP N/A pve;OAdTY4z4ZaBymcXMmkPwSoRoqCA]

Max soul reaping and deadly arts, the rest to curses. Why? Because AP + overpowered PvE skills rule. Soul reaping makes the combo even easier. You only need to use the first 4 skills most of the time.

Use discordway heroes and you are set for HM.

Calista Blackblood · Jan 05, 2009, 02:00 AM // 02:00

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Originally Posted by Daesu

Close enough to mine:

[AP N/A pve;OAdTY4z4ZaBymcXMmkPwSoRoqCA]

Max soul reaping and deadly arts, the rest to curses. Why? Because AP + overpowered PvE skills rule. Soul reaping makes the combo even easier. You only need to use the first 4 skills most of the time.
Use discordway heroes and you are set for HM.

Doesn't really work.You turned [mark of pain] into nothing more than AoE [barbs] and deadly arts does not need to be maxed as the point of the build isn't energy gain from AP.

If you're fast 12 curses/12 SR/3 DA works perfectly fine or drop SR to 10/11 and use the rest in deadly arts.[spinal shivers] is also pretty useless in the build

Daesu · Jan 05, 2009, 03:42 AM // 03:42

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Originally Posted by Calista BlackBlood

Doesn't really work.You turned [mark of pain] into nothing more than AoE [barbs] and deadly arts does not need to be maxed as the point of the build isn't energy gain from AP.

If you're fast 12 curses/12 SR/3 DA works perfectly fine or drop SR to 10/11 and use the rest in deadly arts.[spinal shivers] is also pretty useless in the build

[spinal shivers] is just for interrupts on caster bosses when needed. My necro and her heroes have cold damage wands. [Mark of Pain] is just to support discord on my heroes plus some aoe damage through minions/ebon vanguard assassins. But these spells are very seldom needed if they are used at all.

A level 12 AP also gives 17 energy return when the target dies, plus a 13 soul reaping returns 13 energy giving a total of 30 energy when the target dies provided it is within the 3 times over 15s limit. That just about covers the 35 energy needed to run through the 4 skills once, considering regen. This means I only need to use the first 4 skills most of the time every quickly without worrying about energy at all.

I dont need to bring barbs when my curse necro hero already has it. I dont see why I need 12 to curse when I dont even have the chance to cast any curse skill on my necro 99% of the time, other than maybe rend enchantments which already removes 7 enchantments per cast at my level. Most things die after just using the first 4 skills anyway.

MegaVolti · Jan 05, 2009, 03:56 AM // 03:56

Don't use it on either. Sell the elite tome and do something useful with the money and simply cap both

Zodiac Meteor · Jan 05, 2009, 06:35 AM // 06:35

I decided to go with MegaVolti's plan. Eventually I'll reach them both.

But, I have a question to Blackblood and Daesu.
Why do bring [[you move like a [email protected]] and [[finish [email protected]]. I right now have [[pain [email protected]], [[Air of Superiority] and [[Ebon Vanguard Assassin [email protected]]. Should I switch?