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GuidoNecromancer · Mar 13, 2009, 06:00 PM // 18:00

Hello,

Ok, just to start with... this is my build:

[skill]Mark of Pain[/skill][skill]Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support[/skill][skill]Assassin's Promise[/skill][skill]"By Ural's Hammer!"[/skill][skill]Barbs[/skill][skill]Reckless Haste[/skill][skill]Pain Inverter[/skill][skill]Signet of Lost Souls[/skill]

This is all pretty standard... I do use a Spear to trigger MoP and Barbs too, but this isn't my issue.

My issue is that yes, when this works it's absolutely devestating and such a joy to see everything die so fast, however, it just seems very inconsistent. Either mobs splitting, not staying together, just not being as effective all the time... what can I do to prevent this from happening?

Currently I use an MM hero, a Monk and a Mesmer - if that makes any difference.

Cheers <3

Nightow · Mar 13, 2009, 06:07 PM // 18:07

A good snare can often help with AoE based builds.

Hint: [Auspicious incantation][Deep [email protected]]

XxSanctusxX · Mar 13, 2009, 06:20 PM // 18:20

Well 2 things:SolS isn't really needed.
And your team needs to be good for this one, I always use it with a mm, that way you cant even keep track of the -18's on the screen. And use AP on low targets (less then 50% hp), and u don't have to use it on the target you have barbs or your sin on. just use it on any dieing target.

Zodiak · Mar 13, 2009, 06:23 PM // 18:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightow

A good snare can often help with AoE based builds.

Hint: [Auspicious incantation][Deep Freeze]

I agree snares are good, but from what i see in his build, i think he intends to be a MoP nuker, which requires him to be N/A

It would just be too uber to be N/A/E/Me lol with points in:

Curses
Soul Reaping
Inspiration and
Deadly Arts

GuidoNecromancer · Mar 13, 2009, 06:55 PM // 18:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by XxSanctusxX

Well 2 things:SolS isn't really needed.
And your team needs to be good for this one, I always use it with a mm, that way you cant even keep track of the -18's on the screen. And use AP on low targets (less then 50% hp), and u don't have to use it on the target you have barbs or your sin on. just use it on any dieing target.

Switch out for a Res Signet perhaps? Or anything else you have in mind?

sosycpsycho · Mar 13, 2009, 06:57 PM // 18:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by GuidoNecromancer

Currently I use an MM hero, a Monk and a Mesmer - if that makes any difference.
Cheers <3

Yeah I agree with post 2, snaring helps Aoe multitarget dmg a ton.

I don't think anyone is suggesting he uses 3-4 subjobs when he has heros.
the sarcasm is not helping, or adding to the post ty.

I would say that snare might help. or add a couple of skills in the build that are more single target to vary it a bit. Res sig is not a big deal if you can afford resurrection scrolls. with a little skill you can flag a single hero off to side while party is getting beat on for a rez in emergency.

smilingscar · Mar 13, 2009, 08:05 PM // 20:05

Well, I would think the two easiest ways to add a snare to your build would be either to slap [[shared burden] on your mesmer or to switch out pain inverter for [[summon ice imp]. Just my.02$

refer · Mar 13, 2009, 08:24 PM // 20:24

Maybe you could also get a warrior to tank and get the aggression, that way they stick together a little bit?

Moloch Vein · Mar 13, 2009, 09:13 PM // 21:13

I hope you call your targets. Also you need physicals on your team for this build to work well. I wouldn't use a bloody mesmer and I wouldn't pack a hero monk. Use paragons.

GuidoNecromancer · Mar 13, 2009, 09:44 PM // 21:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moloch Vein

I hope you call your targets. Also you need physicals on your team for this build to work well. I wouldn't use a bloody mesmer and I wouldn't pack a hero monk. Use paragons.

Ok... I will certainly keep the MM hero. I'll have a look at bringing a couple of Paragons along with me then. Would you suggest no hero healers at all then? Mhenlo and Lina enough on their own?

Moloch Vein · Mar 13, 2009, 09:48 PM // 21:48

The paragons should be able to produce enough of a defensive/augmentative/healing web to make a hero healer pointless in a H/H team.

Normally speaking, though, when I run hero/hench with my necro I use either 2P + 1 minion bomber, or 1P, 1 minion bomber, and one optional. N heroes are your friends. Side note, you could run an Ether Renewal healer that packs Deep Freeze.

_Nihilist_ · Mar 14, 2009, 01:24 AM // 01:24

Check out Racthoh's Paragon Hero Team if you have Hayda and General Morgahn available to you, they might help. Alternately, you could give your caster Heroes Spears as their mainhand weapon (with a 20% enchant grip if they cast important party buff enchants, +30hp otherwise) modded out with any Spearhead besides an Ebon/Fiery/Icy/Shocking and a focus offhand so that when they do decide to attack, they deal the requisite Physical damage to trigger [[Barbs]/[[Mark of Pain].

Moloch Vein · Mar 14, 2009, 01:47 AM // 01:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrael_Eveningsong

Alternately, you could give your caster Heroes Spears as their mainhand weapon

QFT.

However, it's important to note that a caster with a correct build won't actually use his weapon very much. That's where paragons come into the picture.

Osi Ri S · Mar 14, 2009, 06:10 AM // 06:10

I also find that having Bone fiends rather than the melee versions helps alot, it allows for the quick "nuke". rather than waiting for the minions to run into melee range at which point the mob has scattered. Also, like Moloch mentioned paras have great synergy with the MoP nuker, i also like to bring R/Rt barragers.

GuidoNecromancer · Mar 14, 2009, 10:39 AM // 10:39

Ok, I've gone for 2 Paragons - works fantastic. I completely agree about using Bone Minions however I do have a question about the MM. I keep getting complained at because my MM uses Blood of the Master, is this really a problem? I'm guessing a bomber isn't much use due to the Bone Minion's being ranged?

What hench would you recommend taking with this set up?

Sorry for all the questions, want to get my team set up sorted out just so I can get on with rep grinding etc

XxSanctusxX · Mar 14, 2009, 12:17 PM // 12:17

About SoLS: you have enough energy with SR and AP, so u dont need it for the energy, I always run in it with enfeeble blood (the 1 energy aoe weakness) and ress sig/awaken the blood. The latter is harder to keep casting, you don't have alot of time and it doesn't last very long without blood magic.
And BoTM on a mm is a MUST for me. Minions may be used as meatshields and death nova bombs, but between battles its good to keep them alive. A minion bomber without minions when the fight starts is pretty bad..

Moloch Vein · Mar 14, 2009, 01:53 PM // 13:53

If you use 2P+1MM+yourself I'd go with either:

2xMo, 1xRt, 1xR
or 1xRt, 1xMo(prot)
or 1xRt, 1xMo(prot), 1xR and 1xW

Use the R with a pet if available. Use the W packing shouts.

There's a simple checklist that has to be met, really:

Do I have enough hex removal?
Do I have enough condition removal?
Do I have enough healing?
Do I have enough protection?
Are all builds sound from an energy-management standpoint?
Do I have enough enemy shutdown?
Do I have enough armor ignoring damage?
Will my team automatically create a sound combat formation in battle? (This isn't strictly needed, but it can be nice.)

It's a simple list, sure, but often you forget to check off all those.

Chthon · Mar 14, 2009, 09:17 PM // 21:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moloch Vein

If you use 2P+1MM+yourself I'd go with either:

2xMo, 1xRt, 1xR
or 1xRt, 1xMo(prot)
or 1xRt, 1xMo(prot), 1xR and 1xW

Use the R with a pet if available. Use the W packing shouts.

There's a simple checklist that has to be met, really:

Do I have enough hex removal?
Do I have enough condition removal?
Do I have enough healing?
Do I have enough protection?
Are all builds sound from an energy-management standpoint?
Do I have enough enemy shutdown?
Do I have enough armor ignoring damage?
Will my team automatically create a sound combat formation in battle? (This isn't strictly needed, but it can be nice.)

It's a simple list, sure, but often you forget to check off all those.

This post should be printed out and pinned to the wall.

GuidoNecromancer · Mar 15, 2009, 02:56 AM // 02:56

Right then, latest business

Player

[skill]Mark of Pain[/skill][skill]Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support[/skill][skill]Assassin's Promise[/skill][skill]"By Ural's Hammer!"[/skill][skill]Barbs[/skill][skill]Reckless Haste[/skill][skill]Pain Inverter[/skill][skill]Enfeebling Blood[/skill]

I agree, I do not miss not having SoLS in the slightest which is great.

My Heroes at the moment...

Hayda
[skill]Wild Throw[/skill][skill]Spear of Redemption[/skill][skill]Merciless Spear[/skill][skill]Aria of Zeal[/skill][skill]Song of Purification[/skill][skill]Mending Refrain[/skill][skill]Aggressive Refrain[/skill][skill]Resurrect[/skill]

Morgahn
[skill]Blazing Spear[/skill][skill]Vicious Attack[/skill][skill]Defensive Anthem[/skill][skill]Anthem of Envy[/skill][skill]Anthem of Weariness[/skill][skill]Hexbreaker Aria[/skill][skill]Aggressive Refrain[/skill][skill]Resurrect[/skill]

Livia
[skill]Jagged Bones[/skill][skill]Infuse Condition[/skill][skill]Dark Bond[/skill][skill]Death Nova[/skill][skill]Animate Bone Fiend[/skill][skill]Blood of the Master[/skill][skill]Signet of Lost Souls[/skill][skill]Resurrect[/skill]

First of all, my Minion Master... I'm not entirely happy with and I haven't got around to sorting her out just yet - suggestions welcome but this isn't a big deal as I have ideas here.

With this set up things seem to run a lot smoother than when I originally posted, damage is a lot more predictable and very high to be honest. I'm just a little concerned that I'm doing something wrong with my survivability - Even using both Mhenlo and Lina as Hench in a H/H run I still feel very vulnerable in HM (Vanquishing is mostly what I aim for from this party). Should my Paragons be more focused on protection etc than they currently are? Am I missing something blatantly obvious?

Don't get me wrong, I am able to clear areas but it just feels a bit unstable at the moment.

Thanks as always

Voodoo Rage · Mar 15, 2009, 05:35 AM // 05:35

If I am the the AP Nuker, I'm all about getting as much mileage as I can out of my Mark of Pain cast (I'm all about watching those numbers flying...). So I take the often neglected Zenmai sporting a flashy blue crab.

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