Curse

Spyder Shadowhunter · Apr 17, 2009, 08:59 PM // 20:59

[malign intervention][verata's gaze][Arcane Echo][Aura of the lich][Arcane mimicry] on me &
[Animate flesh golem][animate bone horror][Arcane mimicry] on olias
rest of the bars are utility [foul feast]+[infuse condition],[rising bile]+[putrid bile],[death nova].. etc.
Addicted to my Aura and lv28 bodyguard..

Bobby2 · Apr 18, 2009, 02:10 AM // 02:10

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Originally Posted by Moloch Vein

Maybe it's just me but I've started to find Empathic Removal really useful on an MM hero. You can run it with no spec, get Foul Feast with 13SR, and suddenly you have a pretty workable support build.

[foul feast][infuse condition] wins out on my Bomber.

Carinae · Apr 18, 2009, 08:18 AM // 08:18

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Originally Posted by Moloch Vein

Maybe it's just me but I've started to find Empathic Removal really useful on an MM hero. You can run it with no spec, get Foul Feast with 13SR, and suddenly you have a pretty workable support build.

I've been a fan of Empathic Removal for a while. A good no-spec elite on a build that doesn't depend on elites (mm).

Shadowmere · Apr 20, 2009, 10:11 PM // 22:11

Well...before they changed Aura of the Lich I loved MM-ing like this

But now that's gone the way of the tazmanian tiger

so I've fallen back to OoU like most everybody...

papaschtroumpf · Apr 20, 2009, 11:45 PM // 23:45

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Originally Posted by Grim Lich

Ooh and Never use [order of [email protected]] + [animate bone [email protected]] instead of [order of [email protected]] + [animate bone [email protected]]. The difference can be as much as 340 damage!

can someone explain why?

_Nihilist_ · Apr 21, 2009, 12:31 AM // 00:31

Bone Fiends have a higher attack rate than other Animated minions, iirc.

Grim Lich · Apr 21, 2009, 02:20 AM // 02:20

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Originally Posted by papaschtroumpf

can someone explain why?

OoU @ 16 Death Magic is +17 Damage.

Horrors attack every ~3 seconds.

Fiends attack every ~2 seconds.

10 Horrors = ~30 attacks in 10 secs which is +510 damage.

10 Fiends = ~50 attacks in 10 secs which is +850 damage.

(this is under perfect conditions however, and will rarely turn out this way. Plus 50 sacrifices of 2% of you health without healing would kill you. :P )

Xenomortis · Apr 21, 2009, 10:13 PM // 22:13

Fiends are much less likely to survive however - say goodbye to that 25 energy investment.
Though, the theoretical damage difference is actually greater than what Grim said; fiends attack every 1.93 seconds and Horrors every 3.17 seconds.

Your team's monks or healers shouldn't have any worries healing you after the sacrifice. If they do struggle... well take an ER Infuser or a Necro healer, or something.

Daesu · Apr 23, 2009, 12:12 AM // 00:12

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Originally Posted by Xenomortis

Fiends are much less likely to survive however - say goodbye to that 25 energy investment.
Though, the theoretical damage difference is actually greater than what Grim said; fiends attack every 1.93 seconds and Horrors every 3.17 seconds.

In a sense you are right, but also consider the fact that fiends are range fighters, so they are further from the fray. If there are also melee chars in the team, they are more likely to survive.

I would at least bring shamblings with fiends though for the extra protection. But I do love the damage from fiends especially with MoP.

Grim Lich · Apr 23, 2009, 03:24 AM // 03:24

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Originally Posted by Xenomortis

Fiends are much less likely to survive however - say goodbye to that 25 energy investment.
Though, the theoretical damage difference is actually greater than what Grim said; fiends attack every 1.93 seconds and Horrors every 3.17 seconds.

Your team's monks or healers shouldn't have any worries healing you after the sacrifice. If they do struggle... well take an ER Infuser or a Necro healer, or something.

That is the greatest drawback of fiends, their armor. (53 armor at lvl 18) However with Soul Reaping that 25e turns into ~13e, much more manageable. Also Fiends are much easier to maintain when you have 7-10 of them. A few will always die (minions die a lot, something you get used to as a mm) so you should be making more all the time, coupled with OoU, and BotM. But I'm rambling.

Rhamia Darigaz · Apr 23, 2009, 03:57 AM // 03:57

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Originally Posted by Grim Lich

Ooh and Never use [order of [email protected]] + [animate bone [email protected]] instead of [order of [email protected]] + [animate bone [email protected]]. The difference can be as much as 340 damage!

holy shitting sweet virgin mary mother of jesus wtf are you trying to say? damage per second? damage per use of OoU? wtf? it's a pretty significant factor, the rate at which the two methods differ by as much as 340 damage. i would even say that the significance can be as much as 400!

Xenomortis · Apr 23, 2009, 09:53 PM // 21:53

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Originally Posted by Daesu

In a sense you are right, but also consider the fact that fiends are range fighters, so they are further from the fray.

That's not the important bit. The important bit, is that they tend to clump together a lot and nukers are plentiful in PvE.

Grim Lich · Apr 24, 2009, 01:40 AM // 01:40

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Originally Posted by Rhamia Darigaz

holy shitting sweet virgin mary mother of jesus wtf are you trying to say? damage per second? damage per use of OoU? wtf? it's a pretty significant factor, the rate at which the two methods differ by as much as 340 damage. i would even say that the significance can be as much as 400!

Per use of OoU, and I explained it here:

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Originally Posted by Grim Lich

OoU @ 16 Death Magic is +17 Damage.

Horrors attack every ~3 seconds.

Fiends attack every ~2 seconds.

10 Horrors = ~30 attacks in 10 secs which is +510 damage.

10 Fiends = ~50 attacks in 10 secs which is +850 damage.

(this is under perfect conditions however, and will rarely turn out this way. Plus 50 sacrifices of 2% of you health without healing would kill you. :P )