Curse

TuLkAs · Jul 04, 2009, 11:25 PM // 23:25

Build I put together to complete SoO with my wife and 6 heroes. What do you guys think?
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:N/A_SoO_Tele_Nuke

MercenaryKnight · Jul 04, 2009, 11:30 PM // 23:30

Seems like you may get quite hurt trying to teleport in on a low armor class. Would probably stick better with an ice imp for snare and then ray of judgement for the damage.

Chthon · Jul 04, 2009, 11:42 PM // 23:42

Uh... so you teleport your low-armored butt into the mobs, fire off LoD+Necrosis for 170 damage, and then what?...

Either I'm totally missing the point, or this build is really terrible.

zelgadissan · Jul 04, 2009, 11:47 PM // 23:47

Trying to revolve a build around LoD can work (disclaimer: NM) if you're an upfront, especially a Dervish with other PBAoE junk. Kinda pointless/awful on a necro.

TuLkAs · Jul 05, 2009, 01:14 AM // 01:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chthon

Uh... so you teleport your low-armored butt into the mobs, fire off LoD+Necrosis for 170 damage, and then what?...

Either I'm totally missing the point, or this build is really terrible.

I dont have any problems with dieing, by the time you cast LOD+Necrosis(313 damage btw) the target is dead and you select another target. Has improved our SoO times and is fun to play.

Gift3d · Jul 05, 2009, 02:57 AM // 02:57

You must be new to guild wars.

You're throwing yourself into tons of damage to use one skill, light of deldrimor? And calling it a nuke? That's a bad joke.

You can do a lot more damage, a lot more effectively, while taking a ton less damage.

desecrate enchantments says hi.
so does defile enchantments.
feast of corruption wants to know what's up.
mark of pain and ebon assassin asks how's the wife how's the kids.

Chthon · Jul 05, 2009, 03:09 AM // 03:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by TuLkAs

I dont have any problems with dieing, by the time you cast LOD+Necrosis(313 damage btw) the target is dead and you select another target. Has improved our SoO times and is fun to play.

Ah... I missed that it's for Shards. That makes it suck a little less, but it still sucks. Unless your target is level 11, you're not going to be killing anything with 313 damage.

TuLkAs · Jul 05, 2009, 05:02 AM // 05:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gift3d

You must be new to guild wars.

You're throwing yourself into tons of damage to use one skill, light of deldrimor? And calling it a nuke? That's a bad joke.

You can do a lot more damage, a lot more effectively, while taking a ton less damage.

desecrate enchantments says hi.
so does defile enchantments.
feast of corruption wants to know what's up.
mark of pain and ebon assassin asks how's the wife how's the kids.

I have played guild wars since it came out. I never claimed it was the best build, only something a little different that is still effective. LoD by itself is not a nuke, however being able to spam it, is. THIS ISN'T A BUILD TO SOLO SoO, other party members do damage as well...

desecrate enchantments + defile enchantments + feast of corruption (35e 6s nearby/adjacent w/enchantments) vs LoD X 3 (15e 2.25s foes in area unconditionally)

I'm done with the trolls, anyone that wants to actually try it out and give back their feedback is welcome.

Shadowmere · Jul 05, 2009, 07:36 AM // 07:36

I don't really get why this is a N/A instead of an A/N build, seems to me a primary sin would be able to do it just as well if not better due to higher natural armor. All your damage is from pve skills so the only thing you're a primary necro for is soul reaping, which if you have AP triggering like it should, will be totally unnecessary.

Calista Blackblood · Jul 05, 2009, 09:26 AM // 09:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by TuLkAs

I have played guild wars since it came out. I never claimed it was the best build, only something a little different that is still effective. LoD by itself is not a nuke, however being able to spam it, is. THIS ISN'T A BUILD TO SOLO SoO, other party members do damage as well...

desecrate enchantments + defile enchantments + feast of corruption (35e 6s nearby/adjacent w/enchantments) vs LoD X 3 (15e 2.25s foes in area unconditionally)

I'm done with the trolls, anyone that wants to actually try it out and give back their feedback is welcome.

You did ask what everyone thought and Chthon,Gift3d and zelgadissan are right.Sorry to say it.

Teleporting a low AR character into a mob is never the brightest thing you can do whilst in a team,all for 313 damage? An elementalist with 16 fire and using Firestorm can do more damage and that's only 1 skill out of 8,you have pretty much a whole bar to do 313.

Crassus Praetor · Jul 05, 2009, 09:27 AM // 09:27

Possibly because he wants to do it on his Necro...

I completed this HM with Echo+LoD and 6 RoJ heroes, the problem
is that your armour is lower than that of a warrior.

My main concern is not the damage since you have stated that it's not
a solo build, it's that you don't have an anti-KD and the wizards carry shock.

I realise this is for NM and therefore I wouldn't use Discord, but RoJ instead
offering you both the protection of the Monk bars and the counter to the
dungeons gimmick of susceptibility to Holy damage.

Have you tested and completed SoO with this build yet?

EDIT: I think this build is far from excellent however I would say
that if the rest of your team is doing more than the 313 damage
of the necro, then he shouldn't have any troubles completing SoO but
he would be carried on the damage from the rest of the team.

TuLkAs · Jul 05, 2009, 10:58 AM // 10:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crassus Praetor

Possibly because he wants to do it on his Necro...

I completed this HM with Echo+LoD and 6 RoJ heroes, the problem
is that your armour is lower than that of a warrior.

My main concern is not the damage since you have stated that it's not
a solo build, it's that you don't have an anti-KD and the wizards carry shock.

I realise this is for NM and therefore I wouldn't use Discord, but RoJ instead
offering you both the protection of the Monk bars and the counter to the
dungeons gimmick of susceptibility to Holy damage.

Have you tested and completed SoO with this build yet?

EDIT: I think this build is far from excellent however I would say
that if the rest of your team is doing more than the 313 damage
of the necro, then he shouldn't have any troubles completing SoO but
he would be carried on the damage from the rest of the team.

Thank you for actual feedback and not just saying its terrible.

Yes I have tested and completed SoO with this build numerous times,
has actually improved our speed. The anti-KD can sometimes be a problem,
but I usually wait until the Brutes/Wizards are running towards us then tele
to casters. Also, replacing BUH with "I am Unstoppable" will fix the anti-KD
and give you armor. Ive run it both ways and found I didnt need the anti-KD
or armor if playing smart.

Arkantos · Jul 05, 2009, 10:48 PM // 22:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chthon

Uh... so you teleport your low-armored butt into the mobs, fire off LoD+Necrosis for 170 damage, and then what?...

Either I'm totally missing the point, or this build is really terrible.

Actually, if you had max sunspear/deldrimor it would be ~313 target damage/200 AoE damage.

Anyways, it's not the worst build I've seen. Replace dark prison with shadow walk so you can shadow step in, do your damage and shadow step out. Still, a 60AL target in the middle of a mob isn't a very smart idea.

upier · Jul 06, 2009, 08:45 AM // 08:45

Let there be PS, SB and SoA!

The biggest bonus that I see from this is that it makes tank'n'spank on a squishy really easy. You'll jump in, grab aggro, the heroes protect and heal your ass while you all nuke the foes.
It's not good, but it looks like fun so I approve!

Stills · Jul 06, 2009, 08:34 PM // 20:34

^ ^ agreed, this is NM and for him and his wife and 6 heroes to pwn house with. you could run anything holy with 6 heroes in SoO NM and still take it. the way he is approaching it is FINE for the circumstances and is probably fun especially if he's running with someone he likes. so yeah spam LOD and if it nails the whole mob for 313 that's easy (EASY) pickings for the heroes to clean up, meanwhile you're tanking and holding aggro because the AI sees a 60AL caster in front of their faces taking dmg (albeit reduced and protted like crazy from the heroes) so they stay there and keep taking LODs to the face. this is a perfectly viable way to clear this dungeon, and these guys are all missing the point that it's probably fun to play (again, especially with someone you like).

Ferminator · Jul 25, 2009, 09:21 AM // 09:21

I'd love to grab 8 players with this build and swamp SoO with it, just gotta wait for a Fendi Nin zbounty.

payne · Sep 18, 2009, 08:58 AM // 08:58

not for the z-bounty but intrigued as to how you'd do the final boss :P

tele in do a bit of damge - get pwnzorded by the rits or rangers? fun times haha

thread necromancy? oops