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Dolthon · Dec 09, 2009, 03:20 AM // 03:20

I was thinking about running this on my new necro but I wasn't sure how well this would work considering MoP Nuker is made for Fight with melee characters. But i was thinking if i just gave the necros spears the would work... Any feedback is welcomed and if you have any suggestions is very welcome too.

Thanks in advance

Cuilan · Dec 09, 2009, 03:27 AM // 03:27

Why not? If you're not abusing Mark of Pain, then you're choosing to do less damage by playing "for fun."

The Discord heroes won't be able to hit while casting.

chowmein69 · Dec 09, 2009, 03:28 AM // 03:28

use warrior henchmans or other melee henchmans should be good for MoP. and you should weild a spear too

Dolthon · Dec 09, 2009, 04:05 AM // 04:05

Thats what i was thinking

thanks for the fast responses

Eragon Zarroc · Dec 09, 2009, 04:09 AM // 04:09

play with a physical buddy :-)

Anarch · Dec 09, 2009, 05:48 AM // 05:48

Minions will trigger it if you cast it on an enemy that they're attacking and your screen will fill up with little 42's

Chthon · Dec 09, 2009, 05:53 AM // 05:53

We been over this repeatedly. Search should have turned it up for you. Discordway and MoP have a nasty anti-synergy. MoP does more damage the more times the target takes hits of physical damage, while Discord kills the target with large chunks of non-physical damage. You're working against yourself. Moreover, running 3 necros plus probably at least 1 more healer hench is going to leave you short on people to trigger MoP. (Even if you give necros spears, they won't generate many packets b/c (a) they're busy casting, (b) they lack IAS, and (c) they lack multi-packet attack skills.)

That said, if you think Discordway is just the greatest thing ever, it will satisfy you. Discordway with an AP+MoP caller is far weaker than other things that can be done with AP+MoP, but perhaps just as good as anything else you could do with Discordway... (You can probably tell I don't think much of Discordway, but that's another topic for you to search. It doesn't need rehashed here.)

Arctica · Dec 09, 2009, 07:48 AM // 07:48

Chthon is right, discordway and MoP nuker is not the best to run side by side. Whenever you put MoP on a called target, it will be dead before the minions or the warrior henchies/players get there and start hitting it.

Maybe you should run some form of modified sabway set-up for your heroes. I usually run an echoed SS with MoP on my necro, with an AotL MM, an Icy Vein N/Rt healer and Gwen as a VoR mesmer. Mobs usually blow up within seconds.

Gift3d · Dec 09, 2009, 08:10 AM // 08:10

call out monk enemy, heroes go to work
switch to ele enemy, mark of pain, ebon vanguard sin, assassin's promise

rinse and repeat. it's what i do, and i've never had a problem. then again i use 2 discord heroes and an IV healer, might not work so well with 6 discord heroes.

HigherMinion · Dec 09, 2009, 10:52 AM // 10:52

If you want to run discord heroes, the MoP Nuker does work well, but not for it's required function; with Discord builds usually you have 20+ minions; therefore MoP will occasionally trigger.

I ran it a long long time ago, and with spears and minions, it was still enough to stress a team of monks out with MoP. However the actual discord builds that are on PvX leave alot to be desired. They suck.

You'd also need to change your MoP a bit, a few examples:
You pretty much need You Move Like A Dwarf, to begin the Discord frenzy.
Mark of Death instead of Barbs.
You can take Rigor mortis out for something else too, Rend Enchantments or Rip Enchantment.

Xenomortis · Dec 09, 2009, 12:29 PM // 12:29

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Originally Posted by _december

use warrior henchmans or other melee henchmans should be good for MoP. and you should weild a spear too

No.
Melee AI is absolutely terrible. One of the biggest pains about H/Hing with AP-MoP is the poor selection of henchmen physicals.
Reyna in proph has Kindle, as does Aiden in NF. Aiden also uses Conjure Lightning in EoTN.
Fortunatly NF gives us Sogolon and in EotN we have Zho. I don't think any of the Factions rangers have kindle.

The nice thing about Discord teams, is that you'll probably have a shit-load of minions running around (one of its strengths). These minions dont really respond to called targets (they sort of do initially, but after that, they go wild). With 10-30 odd minions running around, MoP on an off target will trigger a nice amount whilst you spike down the guys you want dead.

Whilst I still hold that even a H/H team setup for it will get more out of MoP, it's certainly harder to do. You also aren't put into a hero profession lock.
A painful thing for Discord is the profession lock.

AtomicMew · Dec 09, 2009, 05:14 PM // 17:14

Melee AI is absolutely terrible. One of the biggest pains about H/Hing with AP-MoP is the poor selection of henchmen physicals.
Reyna in proph has Kindle, as does Aiden in NF. Aiden also uses Conjure Lightning in EoTN.
Fortunatly NF gives us Sogolon and in EotN we have Zho. I don't think any of the Factions rangers have kindle.
(PS: not true anymore since henchmen update.)

The nice thing about Discord teams, is that you'll probably have a shit-load of minions running around (one of its strengths). These minions dont really respond to called targets (they sort of do initially, but after that, they go wild). With 10-30 odd minions running around, MoP on an off target will trigger a nice amount whilst you spike down the guys you want dead.

mark of pain, ebon vanguard sin, assassin's promise

rinse and repeat. It does not work so well with 6 discord heroes though.

Trelliz · Dec 09, 2009, 05:24 PM // 17:24

would the ranged minions help in this context?

The Riven · Dec 09, 2009, 07:52 PM // 19:52

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Originally Posted by Trelliz

would the ranged minions help in this context?

While bone fiends do phys DMG and are very nice in an EBSOH the high cost is perhaps not ideal, plus in most scenarios you want minion bombs.

As an aside... they do work well if you have an Imbagon in the party as they can be fairly squishy so the added buffs help, but that is moving away from Discord into the realms of altogether better builds

Chthon · Dec 09, 2009, 10:46 PM // 22:46

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Originally Posted by Gift3d

call out monk enemy, heroes go to work
switch to ele enemy, mark of pain, ebon vanguard sin, assassin's promise

rinse and repeat. it's what i do, and i've never had a problem. then again i use 2 discord heroes and an IV healer, might not work so well with 6 discord heroes.

1. So all you have on the MoP is the vanguard sin, your spear, and whatever minions happen to feel like hitting that target? Pretty weak use of MoP.

2. What happens 2 sec after you finish casting MoP and the Discord guys have killed their target and recharged Discord? They come and screw up MoP by Discording the MoPed target.

These two skills don't synergize with each other, and you'd need to micro very intensively just to keep one from actively hurting the effectiveness of the other.

Dolthon · Dec 09, 2009, 11:37 PM // 23:37

Alright...I don't like discordway either all the much.... I just look at the MoP nuker as I wanted to do something that i needed to actually be alert to play rather than sit back echo curse curse rinse and repeat over an over but actually have a build that helped the team do better....so if any of you have any builds that you know of that do that if you left a link it would be much appreciated

Xenomortis · Dec 09, 2009, 11:48 PM // 23:48

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Originally Posted by traversc

(PS: not true anymore since henchmen update.)

Which bit?
I checked most of the henchmen bars, but the wiki refused to load the rangers for Factions.

Chthon · Dec 10, 2009, 12:13 AM // 00:13

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Originally Posted by Xenomortis

Which bit?
I checked most of the henchmen bars, but the wiki refused to load the rangers for Factions.

Seems Zho has Kindle on the Canthan mainland