Curse

maxxfury · Feb 27, 2010, 01:46 AM // 01:46

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Originally Posted by trcvrs

lol fail. I didn't didn't read the skill properly. My bad, carry on.

Snap! i read it first as it acting like MOP but with your skills triggering it...

DF+MOP would have been nuts like that!

Xenomortis · Feb 27, 2010, 01:48 AM // 01:48

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Originally Posted by ArlanKels

I used it previously, with much happiness. It made my necromancer infinitely more capable at surviving.

Not really.
It also means the Nec is specced highly into Blood, which was basically useless outside of Orders. Orders is a sac heavy build and so DF is counter-productive there.

Bloody Dominator · Feb 27, 2010, 12:13 PM // 12:13

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Originally Posted by Chthon

Derv needs to run scythe and wind (for energy) and mysticism (for IAS since D/N can't use warrior IAS), so the same problem again.

Wind and mysticism? why? put 4 points in wind and u got Attackers insight at a decent enough lvl, u can put more points in for an IAS to (like whirling charge + the dwarv skill that increases stances). And also Drunken Master says hi

. Why would a derv need mysticism *cough* anetneedstobuffit *cough*
I'm sure the derv can put enough points into blood magic without losing IAS or E-managment. The question is, is it worth it to take this over say a Derv SY-spammer?

Tenebrae · Feb 27, 2010, 04:35 PM // 16:35

Only worth for Dark Aura farmers maybe ? i think it wasnt a good change , maybe less duration and less recharge ... but bleh.

Chthon · Feb 27, 2010, 06:57 PM // 18:57

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Originally Posted by Bloody Dominator

Wind and mysticism? why? put 4 points in wind and u got Attackers insight at a decent enough lvl, u can put more points in for an IAS to (like whirling charge + the dwarv skill that increases stances). And also Drunken Master says hi

. Why would a derv need mysticism *cough* anetneedstobuffit *cough*
I'm sure the derv can put enough points into blood magic without losing IAS or E-managment. The question is, is it worth it to take this over say a Derv SY-spammer?

If you want to spam skills frequently enough to do decent damage, with or without Demonic Flesh, you will need Zealous Vow. Nothing less.

Hmmm... Drunken Master is only 15%IAS, but... Dwarven Stability at high rank would maybe make Whirling Charge's uptime acceptable. That would allow you to split scythe, wind, blood. There might be a viable build here...

Xenomortis · Feb 27, 2010, 07:13 PM // 19:13

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Originally Posted by Chthon

Hmmm... Drunken Master is only 15%IAS, but... Dwarven Stability at high rank would maybe make Whirling Charge's uptime acceptable. That would allow you to split scythe, wind, blood. There might be a viable build here...

Spamming the 1s attack skills on recharge means you can get away without an IAS. Not sure if the gain from DF will outweigh the slight loss in attack rate though.

-Makai- · Feb 27, 2010, 11:12 PM // 23:12

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

What's a really cheap, really fast recharging, adjacent-range skill that could fuel this to its max potential? Maybe it would just be best on a Moebius sin?

I've been running an A/N with Repeating Strike and DF. Kind of decent, I suppose, but then again, methinks DF is best used in tandem with MoP.

ArlanKels · Feb 27, 2010, 11:35 PM // 23:35

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Originally Posted by Xenomortis

Not really.
It also means the Nec is specced highly into Blood, which was basically useless outside of Orders. Orders is a sac heavy build and so DF is counter-productive there.

Not really? You mean you played my character so you know how much better it did with Demonic Flesh than without?
Astounding.

Also perhaps you should realize that not everyone plays this game for SUPER OPTIMUM BUILDS ONLY style, I play with my own style, my own builds and I have fun doing it. Mixing skills together that most of the people on these forums spit on is what makes me giggle a little.
For giggling is fun.
;D

Moloch Vein · Feb 28, 2010, 08:41 AM // 08:41

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Originally Posted by ArlanKels

Not really? You mean you played my character so you know how much better it did with Demonic Flesh than without?
Astounding.

Also perhaps you should realize that not everyone plays this game for SUPER OPTIMUM BUILDS ONLY style, I play with my own style, my own builds and I have fun doing it. Mixing skills together that most of the people on these forums spit on is what makes me giggle a little.
For giggling is fun.
;D

Big HP meat sack with low armor FTW.

Someone should do a writeup on the damage done by DF as opposed to an assassin that's only specced in CS/DM.

Actually, just looking at it very shallow... DB+MS only loses +1 damage from 14 to 13 Dagger Mastery. And DF adds 11 damage per skill adjacent @ 6 Blood. So if you can find the space on the bar it should indeed increase the damage.

Chthon · Feb 28, 2010, 07:31 PM // 19:31

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Originally Posted by Moloch Vein

Big HP meat sack with low armor FTW.

Someone should do a writeup on the damage done by DF as opposed to an assassin that's only specced in CS/DM.

Actually, just looking at it very shallow... DB+MS only loses +1 damage from 14 to 13 Dagger Mastery. And DF adds 11 damage per skill adjacent @ 6 Blood. So if you can find the space on the bar it should indeed increase the damage.

The skill to drop would be SY!...

Scan, JS, FF, DB, MS, CritEye, CritAgil, SY! --> Demonic Flesh

or, for WotA fans:

Scan, JS, FF, DB, WotA, CritEye, BuH, SY! --> Demonic Flesh

Maybe for parties where SY! is already covered.

ArlanKels · Feb 28, 2010, 07:56 PM // 19:56

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Originally Posted by Chthon

The skill to drop would be SY!...

Scan, JS, FF, DB, MS, CritEye, CritAgil, SY! --> Demonic Flesh

or, for WotA fans:

Scan, JS, FF, DB, WotA, CritEye, BuH, SY! --> Demonic Flesh

Maybe for parties where SY! is already covered.

Please tell me I'm not the only person utterly confused by all the acronyms..?

Xenomortis · Feb 28, 2010, 08:14 PM // 20:14

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Originally Posted by ArlanKels

Please tell me I'm not the only person utterly confused by all the acronyms..?

Scan = Asuran Scan
JS = Jagged Strike
FF = Fox Fangs
DB = Death Blossom
MS = Mobius Strike
WotA = Way of the Assassin
CritEye = Critical Eye
CritAgil = Critical Agility
BuH = Buy Ural's Hammer!
SY = Save Yourselves!
DF = Demonic Flesh

Tenebrae · Feb 28, 2010, 11:54 PM // 23:54

Should work ( or sort of ) on a MS Sin or a WE W spamming skills , kinda tricky to gather enough foes to make it significant i guess ..... but not hard though.

_Nihilist_ · Mar 02, 2010, 03:23 PM // 15:23

Has anyone actually tested this and checked AoE-triggered scatter, yet? It might make all the talk about damage increase a moot point.

Xenomortis · Mar 02, 2010, 03:29 PM // 15:29

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Originally Posted by _Nihilist_

Has anyone actually tested this and checked AoE-triggered scatter, yet? It might make all the talk about damage increase a moot point.

Will the scatter be any worse than Splinter or MoP?
It's triggered less rapidly and for longer, but on top of those I don't think it's going to cause anything to happen that doesn't already happen.