Curse

JR · Jun 06, 2006, 12:24 PM // 12:24

The problem is there simply is no good reason to go Mo/W in PvE, unless you are 55ing.

Balanced Stance is great in PvP; where it is likely you will be getting Galed/Shocked or attacked by Hammer Warriors and Assassins that you can't always just kite. In PvE the opposition is so dumb that just simple kiting will do the same job. With this as the case, why not simply take /Me or /N secondary for energy management to help keep your team alive?

Warrior secondary is also very limited in GvG to Word Of Healing monks or Healing Light monks; who both make use of the only real passive energy management available to Monks; economical skills.

So in short; yes you can run a Balanced Stance Word healer in PvE, but you are quite honestly just wasting your secondary proffesion with making up for sloppy play and putting your party at risk by not doing the job you should be doing with an optimal skill bar.

Regards,
-JR

Age · Jun 06, 2006, 08:56 PM // 20:56

I do use an optimal skill bar though and what about /Ele or even /R I have seen some use pets.I don't really see /N as a good secondary untill you reach the Southern Shiverpeaks and cap OoB but now that skill is nerfed its only use is in PvE not PvP.What can you do or put on your skill bar as Mo/N in say around post Ascalon there isn't many skill you can use unless you want to smite but in the line of /W there are defences that you can use like I said watchyourself and if you have you can use weapon.I never played a 55 build untill after I beat the game.

Jetdoc · Jun 06, 2006, 09:14 PM // 21:14

It's the same reason that a W/Mo is stereotyped as a Whammo.

Mo/W actually has some decent uses in PvE, especially if you go down the smiting route instead of healing and protection.

But even as a healer, I can see how you might carry an evasive stance to help yourself stay alive if the aggro bubble bursts. Again, not the best use of a secondary (because energy management generally plays a greater need), but it's definitely feasible.

Evilsod · Jun 06, 2006, 09:30 PM // 21:30

When a Ranger or Warrior /Mesmer joins a chest run. 9/10 times they are heading to the Forest or the Spider Cave to farm. 9/10 times when a Monk/Warrior joins your team, they are a moronic 55er who dies at the first Shatter Enchantment.
For this reason i'm always cautious of a Mo/W. Besides.... if you wanna tank things just bring Bonder, other why the hell are you standing still? At least 4 times now i've had 2 Abyssals converge on me just as i started casting Sig of Dev. Would bring Balanced Stance help? Possibly... but my healing would suck. Bonettis Defence is always a possiblity, but surely cancelling the skill (i learnt that after the 2nd time in 1 trip) and simpling running off works just as well.

I've only had 1 55er join my FoW team that had brains. They stayed at the back during Mes groups (dunno why... Spellbreaker...) and helped out with Healing Breeze/Prot Spirit while tanking the rest of the groups we encountered. There is just no viable reason to go /Warrior. Although i must admit i am tempted to see is "None Shall Pass" is a viable method of stopping agro.

NinjaKai · Jun 06, 2006, 09:39 PM // 21:39

There is actually a build in the PvP creation area for a Mo/W which isn't a 55 monk. Anyone who thinks every Mo/W is a 55 is a bit stupid. Its only when they wield a sword and that ugly skinned offhand that it becomes obvious.

jesh · Jun 07, 2006, 03:26 AM // 03:26

There are/used to be plenty of monk builds that didn't make much use of a secondary. With those kind of builds you can choose whatever suits your needs best. If you're playing with in incompetant party, you can use Weary Stance to have an almost fool-proof res. You can use sprint or rush to run away, or Bonetti's to get some energy back. Team mates can benefit as much from Shields Up! as protection spells. There are always strengths that a certain class combo has, and to say that Mo/W is useless is a little short sighted.

Though they may be expensive, a Mo/N can use wells. Area effect indispellable healing breeze anyone? No one thinks in those terms, though. No one looks at enfeebling blood and sees a skill that decreases your party's damage taken by 80% for X seconds. There is more to chosing a secondary than energy management, and there is definetely nothing wrong with wanting to be a little bit different than everyone else.

Dark Helmet · Jun 07, 2006, 08:28 AM // 08:28

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Originally Posted by Age

Then you would see mo/mes everywhere and get very bored of it and what defences does a mesmer have?

Distortion is somewhat handy at times, like in FoW when you're getting mobbed...

Sacho · Jun 07, 2006, 12:32 PM // 12:32

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Originally Posted by NinjaKai

There is actually a build in the PvP creation area for a Mo/W which isn't a 55 monk. Anyone who thinks every Mo/W is a 55 is a bit stupid. Its only when they wield a sword and that ugly skinned offhand that it becomes obvious.

.....+-5 energy swords are a staple to many monk equipment sets

JR · Jun 07, 2006, 01:36 PM // 13:36

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Originally Posted by Age

I do use an optimal skill bar

Except... you clearly don't.

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Originally Posted by Age

though and what about /Ele or even /R I have seen some use pets.

Thats garbage, how does a pet help you do your job as a Monk? Elementalist could at least be Glyph of Renewal and Divine Spirit I suppose...

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Originally Posted by Age

I don't really see /N as a good secondary untill you reach the Southern Shiverpeaks and cap OoB but now that skill is nerfed its only use is in PvE not PvP.

Watch more observer mode, OoB is still decent and in use in high level PvP.

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Originally Posted by Age

What can you do or put on your skill bar as Mo/N in say around post Ascalon there isn't many skill you can use unless you want to smite but in the line of /W there are defences that you can use like I said watchyourself and if you have you can use weapon.

If we are going to discuss skills, please let's put it in the context of a 'finished' character.

elektra_lucia · Jun 07, 2006, 01:46 PM // 13:46

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Originally Posted by Age

Then you would see mo/mes everywhere and get very bored of it and what defences does a mesmer have?I don't use frenzy on my Warrior even as i don't reallt like the skill.I guess most don't the benifit of being mo/w at say level 4 when the charr are on you and are still in presearing armor that is the good thing about watchyourself it provides 20 armor more and I used it.I see mo/r with pet how good is that and the same with /n at level 4 no good skills there.The only other one is /e for glyph of lesser energy.Mo/W is a very practical protection build either for bonding or active protect and can work just as good as a mesmer not a boon/protect.I am talking about both parts more to point of pve I am talking at the lower levels and if a warrior in pvp in right on top of you.

To Tijger did you see what armor they were wearing if it is full tats they could be 55ers and when you went into mission did you look at their off hands if they had crim cesta and a smiting rod if so they were a 55 and asked to read out their health.

There were players useing the Mo/W back in beta in pvp in halls of heros and I even used back then it wasn't just full of Mo/Mes.

"There were players useing the Mo/W back in beta in pvp in halls of heros and I even used back then it wasn't just full of Mo/Mes."

ROFL! People play IWAY with no monks at all, so your point about the hall of heroes, absolute rubbish!

I was talking about energy management.

"Then you would see mo/mes everywhere and get very bored of it"

You do see monk/mesmers everywhere... On an average build...

"I don't use frenzy on my Warrior even as i don't reallt like the skill."

Zealous (with a stance to cancle) frenzy'd or, prot spirit frenzy'd. FTW...

"and what defences does a mesmer have"

You don't have to bring a secondary for defenses... If you haven't noiced, you don't have to agro everything as a monk, in PVE... We were talking about a team game, yes? You can have two monks, or since you mention halls, you usually run

rc prot
sb/infuse
woh/hp

"I am talking at the lower levels and if a warrior in pvp in right on top of you. "

If a warrior in PVP is right ontop of you, you go in a ward, yes? Or another monk prot spirits you, yes?

"OoB is still decent and in use in high level PvP. "

Yap, although since he mentioned HoH, I'd rather have monk/mes.

"Its only when they wield a sword and that ugly skinned offhand that it becomes obvious."

E-denial / -5 energy sword ftw? ;x.

Dark Helmet · Jun 07, 2006, 01:49 PM // 13:49

Off-topic, but rawr... hey Kansas.

(It's teh Lady Eilsys person ^_^)

elektra_lucia · Jun 07, 2006, 01:52 PM // 13:52

Hey to you too^^

jesh · Jun 08, 2006, 07:02 AM // 07:02

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Originally Posted by Sacho

.....+-5 energy swords are a staple to many monk equipment sets

I use both.

Haven't played Mo/W in a while, but people still like to pick on me cause I'm not wearing a staff.

"Mo/N with a sword, interesting choice of equipment there. o.o"

NinjaKai · Jun 08, 2006, 07:10 AM // 07:10

Easiest way to tell is the first time the monk gets hit. You'll see their health bar shoot up and down rapidly.

elektra_lucia · Jun 08, 2006, 12:44 PM // 12:44

wow I never knew, thanks^^

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JR · Jun 08, 2006, 04:06 PM // 16:06

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Originally Posted by NinjaKai

Easiest way to tell is the first time the monk gets hit. You'll see their health bar shoot up and down rapidly.

Or just watch for them casting the standard 55hp Monk enchantments?

Age · Jun 08, 2006, 10:38 PM // 22:38

The Mo/W is not just a 55 I monk as there are other I see in game out there.Therre are Mo/W in PvP as well I have seen as infusers and I asked a good Monk play from Treacherous Empire[TE] obout the build as they used it and said it isn't bad build.The Mo/W is a good for those who want to play in PvE.I don't really think that most of you played a Mo/W but I played a Mo/N,Mo/E and a Mo/Mes in PvP mostly but tried it in PvE.I do have 2 Monks a Mo/W and Mo/E.

Male Gigolo · Jun 12, 2006, 09:06 PM // 21:06

I think the real culprit for this stereotyping is ELONA'S REACH I went there one time with my wammo to farm and there were 2 districts of these guys...lol

I have a 55 monk. I use Mo/N so that Anet will not think of me as bot coz I regularly have lag.

I usually play Mo/Me. The real advantage these guys have are they can be any kind of monk and primarily energy management. Whether Boon Healing, Boon Protecting, and even Bonder. I'm having so much fun with my monk coz I can be any of those. So mesmer secondary really helps alot. Well that's what I think at least. So dont flame me.

Age · Jun 13, 2006, 04:17 AM // 04:17

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Originally Posted by Male Gigolo

I think the real culprit for this stereotyping is ELONA'S REACH I went there one time with my wammo to farm and there were 2 districts of these guys...lol

I have a 55 monk. I use Mo/N so that Anet will not think of me as bot coz I regularly have lag.

I usually play Mo/Me. The real advantage these guys have are they can be any kind of monk and primarily energy management. Whether Boon Healing, Boon Protecting, and even Bonder. I'm having so much fun with my monk coz I can be any of those. So mesmer secondary really helps alot. Well that's what I think at least. So dont flame me.

I just wanted ppl to understand that there are real Mo/W from presearing on out there doing there jops aren't we all Monks despite are secoundary.

Matsumi · Jun 13, 2006, 07:04 AM // 07:04

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Originally Posted by NinjaKai

Easiest way to tell is the first time the monk gets hit. You'll see their health bar shoot up and down rapidly.

Hmm, I had somebody think I was 55ing one time during the THK mission, while playing as a Mo/Me. Because I was getting hit alot at one point, so I cast Healing Breaze on myself and waited for the tanks to get done killing their target. The Ranger in the group stood there and stared at me, then quit the group.

I had 476 health, so not sure what the problem was. I wasn't casting Protective Spirit on myself or the other enchants.

Rangers usually seem to have attitude problems anyway though.