Curse

cerb · Sep 25, 2006, 02:29 AM // 02:29

Heal Party is proooooooooo

so my fav skill

tomcruisejr · Sep 25, 2006, 02:33 AM // 02:33

try giving Koss the healing monk skill bar

Akhilleus · Sep 25, 2006, 02:40 AM // 02:40

healing breeze has earned a place on my bar (in most cases) for 1 reason and 1 reason only...its a very, very nice self-heal. why not use healing touch?
healing breeze allows me to slap a heal on myself, only healing as much as it needs too, and then worry about allies instead.
if i use single-point self heals, then 2 secconds later if i take dmg again, ill be subject to needing another heal.
its a fire&forget heal...which has its uses.
that having been said, i avoid it like the plague in ch2, as virtually every enemy group has a mesmer with some form of ench shatter on them.

i believe any decent heal-monk will have 1 or 2 10 energy spike-heals for emergencies, 3-5 5 energy heals for standard stuff (aka WoH, orison, dwaynas kiss, etc), 1 res, and in most areas a signet heal works as well. recently sig of rejuvination has replaced sig of devotion on my PvE skillbar, as it casts faster, and i dont really use SoD constantly anyway, just for minor point heals. not to mention, that 90% of the time, its going to heal for a pretty decent amount (appx 143)...but this is all my opinion. but, i rarely run out of energy, and almost always keep people alive (the occasional spike or overextention does take its toll).

VanDamselx · Sep 25, 2006, 03:01 AM // 03:01

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Originally Posted by Akhilleus

healing breeze has earned a place on my bar (in most cases) for 1 reason and 1 reason only...its a very, very nice self-heal. why not use healing touch?
healing breeze allows me to slap a heal on myself, only healing as much as it needs too, and then worry about allies instead.
if i use single-point self heals, then 2 secconds later if i take dmg again, ill be subject to needing another heal.
its a fire&forget heal...which has its uses.
that having been said, i avoid it like the plague in ch2, as virtually every enemy group has a mesmer with some form of ench shatter on them.

i believe any decent heal-monk will have 1 or 2 10 energy spike-heals for emergencies, 3-5 5 energy heals for standard stuff (aka WoH, orison, dwaynas kiss, etc), 1 res, and in most areas a signet heal works as well. recently sig of rejuvination has replaced sig of devotion on my PvE skillbar, as it casts faster, and i dont really use SoD constantly anyway, just for minor point heals. not to mention, that 90% of the time, its going to heal for a pretty decent amount (appx 143)...but this is all my opinion. but, i rarely run out of energy, and almost always keep people alive (the occasional spike or overextention does take its toll).

I agree with Akhilleus here, healing breeze is something I use for myself so I can focus on the people in my group.

Warrior1986 · Sep 25, 2006, 03:16 AM // 03:16

My question is why do most monks in PuGs (I'd say at least 75-80%) think they are the greatest thing since slicest bread? I understand the mindset that "without me, you won't live" thing (which isn't true by a LONGSHOT, but I guess some people can't see that), but is it so hard to understand that without that ranger interrupting that warrior using eviscerate on you or without that warrior holding aggro, you can be dead in seconds? Remember that philosophy of give and take?

This isn't meant to offend anyone, as all the monks in my Guild along with some monks I've met through PvE, AB, etc are really great people and are an asset to the group. But I've always wanted to try and understand what is it exactly that makes the PuG monk think the way that 75-80% of them do? Is it as simple as ego-stroking?

HawkofStorms · Sep 25, 2006, 03:27 AM // 03:27

My personally favorite which happened today:

Pug monk in Imperial Sanctum said "I'll try to keep mending on Togo and Mhenlo so they don't die."

*sigh*

Former Ruling · Sep 25, 2006, 03:32 AM // 03:32

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Originally Posted by Warrior1986

My question is why do most monks in PuGs (I'd say at least 75-80%) think they are the greatest thing since slicest bread? I understand the mindset that "without me, you won't live" thing (which isn't true by a LONGSHOT, but I guess some people can't see that), but is it so hard to understand that without that ranger interrupting that warrior using eviscerate on you or without that warrior holding aggro, you can be dead in seconds? Remember that philosophy of give and take?

This isn't meant to offend anyone, as all the monks in my Guild along with some monks I've met through PvE, AB, etc are really great people and are an asset to the group. But I've always wanted to try and understand what is it exactly that makes the PuG monk think the way that 75-80% of them do? Is it as simple as ego-stroking?

Monks are needed in most areas with team builds on the standard level. People that say "you dont ever need monks" can post proof and all of that, but the simple fact is those are specialized classes, usually using highly detailed strategies or Highly skilled players, or builds that take alot of practice and/or dont work 100% of the time. That of course doesnt describe the normal player. To someone that just bought the game, got to that 4th mission, there is no way he'd go through that mission with no monk spells healing him.

True damage is important and interuptting or whatever, but I'll explain why monks can get ego-driven alot in PvE:

In an outpost, you'll find TONS of those Rangers willing to interupt, TONS of warriors willing to use that Eviserate, TONS of Necros that will SS or MM, TONS of whatever that will whatever, But that Monk...Is alot of the time the ONLY monk in that district that will go with you, and you likely had to wait 5 or more minutes for him to zone in.

So you can see where some people would get an ego.

VanDamselx · Sep 25, 2006, 03:42 AM // 03:42

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Originally Posted by Former Ruling

In an outpost, you'll find TONS of those Rangers willing to interupt, TONS of warriors willing to use that Eviserate, TONS of Necros that will SS or MM, TONS of whatever that will whatever, But that Monk...Is alot of the time the ONLY monk in that district that will go with you, and you likely had to wait 5 or more minutes for him to zone in.

So you can see where some people would get an ego.

/agreed

Monks are usually scarce and in high demand. I would have to say that even if you spammed, "Don't go with XX XXXX because he's a noob" he'd still be able to find a group faster than if you did the same thing to a warrior because people need them.

Kook~NBK~ · Sep 25, 2006, 03:52 AM // 03:52

Boon Prot + Healing > Healing + Healing!

I say this a healing monk and Oh MAN do I love when the second monk goes Boon/Prot! I never have energy problems, because there's not a lot of healing that I have to do.

WoH is the gold standard of healing spells, hands down. Aside from that, you can do just fine with the other 5 energy skills out there. I have heal party for those sepecial times when 1/2 or more of my party needs a good heal.

One mistake monks make is healing every little scratch that their party memebers get. If a party member's health gets down 10-15%, (50-75hp on a guy with 500hp total health) then throw a heal at them, if it's more, use WoH. Anything less is a waste of energy IMHO.

I don't mind people shouting "Heal" at me IF their health is less than50% and everyone else is in good shape. Why? because it's a reasonable request.

When someone with 75% health shouts "heal" at me, I shout back "KILL." Then I let them drop to 25% before I help 'em out (the first time they do it). Why? because it's not a reasonable request, and the knotheads who do this are the ones that expect their own personal physician at the expense of the rest of the party. They are also the ones who yell at the Monk when things go bad. To all those guilty of this BE WARNED: Continued behavior of this nature while I'm monking for your party will be hazardous to your health and may result in death.

Makkert · Sep 25, 2006, 04:18 AM // 04:18

I find it amusing that the OP complains about spamming of Heal Party by pug monks, while he has a tendency to spam his words.

spam spam spam, it's a wonderfull thing.

as for pugging, good management goes a long way. but many don't have the patience for it.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/content...ide-id1571.php

Hyper Cutter · Sep 25, 2006, 04:52 AM // 04:52

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Originally Posted by Warrior1986

My question is why do most monks in PuGs (I'd say at least 75-80%) think they are the greatest thing since slicest bread?

Because they're by far the most wanted class in the game, and there don't seem to be a lot of them (when you don't count the bots)...

**cosyfiep** · Sep 25, 2006, 05:07 AM // 05:07

yes, I do use heal party....why? you are talking PUG here----the tank runs out wayyyy tooo far for me to get to before he will die----heal party will heal him so that I can get to him and do the others. (or in the ring of fire where they get banished to the lava.....dont want to run in there)
PUGs are not known for their ability to work together since most of the time they have not. When your party is running 4 different ways sometimes the ONLY way to heal them all is the heal party.
flame me all you want.....it does have its uses.
And most PUGs also dont know that you wont heal them until they reach a certain point----unless they have played monk before, they dont understand these things.

Effigy · Sep 25, 2006, 05:28 AM // 05:28

Heal Party is a good skill for PvE monks, as long as it's used wisely. Anytime 3 or more players are hurt enough to warrant a single-target heal, HP allows you to get them all at the same time while maintaining efficiency. It can also be helpful for healing players who are out of range (ex: warriors attacking an Ether Seal in the fire island missions).

Healing Breeze, on the other hand, is not a good skill for primary monks. A couple people have already explained this well so I won't get into it. I won't even get started on monks with Mending...

Narutoscryed · Sep 25, 2006, 05:40 AM // 05:40

some folks might totally bag me for this.. but im a loyal fan of boon prot for both factions and prophecies missions..

and in my opinion its still almost just as effective post nerf to divine boon.

I have seen the monks the opp is talking about. and i actually had one bag on me in a mish and say that i was a n00b for taking a nerfed build.

the mission was napui quarter and with all the spiking and enchant removal near the end the monk started spamming his energy at around 3..

i then spammed my energy witch thanks to clever use of recal is full..

I was able to keep the mele spike free and the caster fully healed. for a long time.

At the end of that mission the whole party gave me props for my healing and they all bagged the other monk for being an idiot and being totally usless from almost the start.

i guess the key is learning to play your build right.

Thallandor · Sep 25, 2006, 06:39 AM // 06:39

16+1 Healing with 13 Divine and 5en Heals FTW.

Eragon Dragonslayer · Sep 25, 2006, 06:47 AM // 06:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosyfiep

yes, I do use heal party....why? you are talking PUG here----the tank runs out wayyyy tooo far for me to get to before he will die----heal party will heal him so that I can get to him and do the others. (or in the ring of fire where they get banished to the lava.....dont want to run in there)
PUGs are not known for their ability to work together since most of the time they have not. When your party is running 4 different ways sometimes the ONLY way to heal them all is the heal party.
flame me all you want.....it does have its uses.
And most PUGs also dont know that you wont heal them until they reach a certain point----unless they have played monk before, they dont understand these things.

im just talking bout when ALL the monk does is spam heal party not like what u are doing thats perfectly reasonable

@Makkert What do u mean i have a tendecy to spam my words?

@Effigy Yes thats completely reasonable, and i did remember this one monk that used mending on the 2 warriors and me and him...and all he did for the rest of the mish was follow along...

lmiles · Sep 25, 2006, 06:48 AM // 06:48

What really grates on my nerves is Idiot Monks who repeatidly spam Heal Area this is just stupid especially when its in the underworld because whats the point in us fighting if our own monks are healing the enemy

Im not a monk myself I have a ranger character a necro character and a ritualist character and one of the biggest problems is when your monks are spamming Heal area meanwhile the enemy are ganging up on you and you get killed, then you point out that you and the rest of the team are down and the stupid monks decide that theyre not going to rez you thinking they can run off and take the whole underworld by themselves ahhhhhh

theyre are some amazingly good monks on this forum and on the game who I owe alot to.
so thanks to the guys that have helped

Zui · Sep 25, 2006, 06:51 AM // 06:51

Welcome to PvE PUGs. 99.99% of the players suck, badly, but think they're amazingly good and know everything. This is why some of us refuse to PUG in PvE unless we have to, and instead opt for henchmen, friends, or guildies.

bele · Sep 25, 2006, 06:53 AM // 06:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

My personally favorite which happened today:

Pug monk in Imperial Sanctum said "I'll try to keep mending on Togo and Mhenlo so they don't die."

*sigh*

Owned.

I suposse he/she was kidding

torquemada · Sep 25, 2006, 07:09 AM // 07:09

Funny thing, you finally get a monk in a PUG, and he stinks to high heaven. Few minutes into the fray and he's pinging low energy. And to think that you had to sit in an outpost for half an hour to even get one in the first place.

I would not reply to these kind of posts anyway if I didn't get 2 absolutely horrid monks (not 55, I checked) in sequence few days ago in Elona's Reach.