Curse

Monkey Blonde · Oct 10, 2006, 07:48 AM // 07:48

Uh, yeah. Except henchies throw enchants on you better than anyone.

Kais Unduli · Oct 10, 2006, 08:13 AM // 08:13

The great debate continues...

The worst monk I've seen in a PuG recently was a Mo/Me who didn't seem that bad at first. And then I noticed the hex degen appearing on other monsters. We had no necro or mesmer in our group (doing Nahpui's Quarter mission btw), so I looked around. The Mo/Me was using Conjure Phantasm and Conjure Nightmare. I did a /doubletake. I asked him to stop using those spells, and he said "how would i do damage then?"

Surprisingly, we beat the mission in master's time. I'm still shocked by this occurence, but even more amazed we made it through the mission.

Maria The Princess · Oct 10, 2006, 08:18 AM // 08:18

i can beat yours "bad monk" experience!

today my guildie and me were doin Dunes of Desair, so rest of the group was a PUG. since i was a Ele and she was a monk we werent worried about healing and took a lvl 19 Mo/E that advertised himself as "exp healer" in the group.

guess what? the Mo/E was casting Flare, Inferno, Phoenix, Meteor shower, Fire attunment, Fire storm and as a heal he choose Healing Breese....

LOL

cataphract · Oct 10, 2006, 10:23 AM // 10:23

Mo/E

Saw him cast Glyph of Lesser Energy and figured Aegis will follow it. No such luck.

Meteor shower.

Xeeron · Oct 10, 2006, 01:40 PM // 13:40

I should mention the Mo/W I recently teamed up with for Iron mines. Not only did he go 55 for a mission, but his armor was not infused as well ...

- Xeeron

Effendi Westland · Oct 10, 2006, 01:45 PM // 13:45

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Originally Posted by Xeeron

I should mention the Mo/W I recently teamed up with for Iron mines. Not only did he go 55 for a mission, but his armor was not infused as well ...

- Xeeron

if he goes 55 armor infusion doesnt matter

also players just getting to that mission will NEVER be infused, as this is where you get infused.

Apart from that it's very lame to join a team in a 55 build, it never works, always some mesmers or necros round to take care of the enchantments, or do dmg that goes through protective spirit.

Smile Like Umean It · Oct 10, 2006, 02:06 PM // 14:06

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Originally Posted by Maria The Princess

i can beat yours "bad monk" experience!

today my guildie and me were doin Dunes of Desair, so rest of the group was a PUG. since i was a Ele and she was a monk we werent worried about healing and took a lvl 19 Mo/E that advertised himself as "exp healer" in the group.

guess what? the Mo/E was casting Flare, Inferno, Phoenix, Meteor shower, Fire attunment, Fire storm and as a heal he choose Healing Breese....

LOL

I would weep for you if that wasn't so funny.

GloryFox · Oct 10, 2006, 02:07 PM // 14:07

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posted by Kais Unduli
The great debate continues...

The worst monk I've seen in a PuG recently was a Mo/Me who didn't seem that bad at first. And then I noticed the hex degen appearing on other monsters. We had no necro or mesmer in our group (doing Nahpui's Quarter mission btw), so I looked around. The Mo/Me was using Conjure Phantasm and Conjure Nightmare. I did a /doubletake. I asked him to stop using those spells, and he said "how would i do damage then?"

Surprisingly, we beat the mission in master's time. I'm still shocked by this occurence, but even more amazed we made it through the mission.

How dare a monk player actually play the game.

Wait a minute … your complaining because the Monk thought outside the box? He did not seem bad because you did not notice what he was doing? Then he was only bad when you saw he was helping the party with throwing degens while keeping the party alive?

Give a F***ing life Kais Unduli.

If you were being healed just fine you had no RIGHT to complain and you still got Masters how dare you criticize another Monk player for helping you get Masters and throwing some offense at the same time. That ability takes some skill with energy management if you ask me, good for that Monk.

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Posted by HANK

There are a lot of suggestions (most commonly used, effective strategies) that can help, especially a lot of new monks. But if the monk is doing a solid job with his/her own build don't be hating. There isn't always a right or wrong.

You are absolutely right HANK

wattsja · Oct 10, 2006, 02:07 PM // 14:07

I was taking my Necro through the Seaboard and found 2 "experienced" monks LFG .. added them, formed the rest of the party and headed out. After you exit the boat you come across some Fire Imps at which point our two "experienced" monks (who both had 55 builds) died, not once but 4 times in the first set of imps! Needless to say, we all left them and reformed (sans the "expert" monks) and left them LFG in town.

I know the 55 build has its place, but the PvE world isn't it :\

GloryFox · Oct 10, 2006, 02:28 PM // 14:28

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I know the 55 build has its place, but the PvE world isn't it :\

If they are 55ing (costs serious money to make) in PvE they are most likely Foreign (non American or European) Gold Farmers.

The 55 build is a good build but you are correct most (90%) of areas are not for 55 monks.

Jessyi · Oct 10, 2006, 05:52 PM // 17:52

Wow, this thread is still running strong eh?

If you can't explain to a person that after hex removal, condition removal, energy management and res (optional and I never reccomend it on a monk) that there are much better choices in the healing line than healing breeze...well, you can lead a moron to the obvious but you can't make him think. Give up.

On the other hand, anyone who does understand this will take your stupid henchmen to the cleaners.

Hell, there's even a third option, incredulous as it is: play with monks you know. And if that's not viable, be comforted by the realization that monks typically share an equal part of the failure blame in PvE. Even a monk with healing breeze is much closer to the right track than a warrior with healing breeze. Comprendez?

-Jessyi

EPO Bot · Oct 10, 2006, 06:00 PM // 18:00

I have to say you can probably find the WORST players possible in the desert missions. Since they are too dumb to find out a way to get past the dophelganger, the morons pool in that area ,ruining the fun until the normal players throw their computer out of the window.

As soon as you get to Glinth, the skillevels magically increase.

Dougal Kronik · Oct 10, 2006, 06:12 PM // 18:12

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Originally Posted by GloryFox

If they are 55ing (costs serious money to make) in PvE they are most likely Foreign (non American or European) Gold Farmers.

WOW! Quite the leap of logic you take there. Only "Foreign" Gold Farmers could afford to make a 55 Monk in PvE???? I think I'll leave this point - just, WOW!

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Originally Posted by Gloryfox

The 55 build is a good build but you are correct most (90%) of areas are not for 55 monks.

Correct only so far as you shouldn't 55 with parties. 90% of the areas you can 55 solo.

Miniflea · Oct 10, 2006, 06:39 PM // 18:39

I like to consider myself half-decent at monking, and I generally don't bring healing breeze or heal party with me, as I prefer lots of 5 energy heals and one or two 10 energy ones. I've had people compliment me on my healing, and I've had people deride me for not bringing the two skills mentioned above.

Playing with pugs is really just hit or miss. If you can't stand it do what i do almost all of the time: play with people you know in real life or with guildies.

w00t! · Oct 10, 2006, 07:18 PM // 19:18

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Originally Posted by Kais Unduli

The great debate continues...

The worst monk I've seen in a PuG recently was a Mo/Me who didn't seem that bad at first. And then I noticed the hex degen appearing on other monsters. We had no necro or mesmer in our group (doing Nahpui's Quarter mission btw), so I looked around. The Mo/Me was using Conjure Phantasm and Conjure Nightmare. I did a /doubletake. I asked him to stop using those spells, and he said "how would i do damage then?"

Surprisingly, we beat the mission in master's time. I'm still shocked by this occurence, but even more amazed we made it through the mission.

One possible explanation is inspired hex. I've been asked before about why or how I cast a spell that I had no good reason to have in my skill bar.The reason was that I had just cast inspired hex and returned it back to the enemy. Now I'll concede that it is almost always a bad idea to do this, but if your energy bar is full, and your team isn't taking damage, it's kind of fun to do, and can relieve the boredom that sometimes comes with monking.

I'm not about doing damage to others - I carry a +5 energy sword. But it is fun to feel like you're killing something every now and again , even if it's only causing -1 degen.

Ebony Shadowheart · Oct 10, 2006, 07:35 PM // 19:35

Wow, hot topic, and somewhat saddening to read.

Personally, if your monk is keeping your butt alive AND fighting with decent dmg I wouldn't complain. Seems like an asset to me.

As for monks only spamming heal party and healing breeze, I haven't encountered anything that makes me growl in irritation. I've seen a few where I though HP was a bit overkill to heal one person, but I just figure that everyone has their own play style.

If you come across a monk that you don't like, or doesn't do a great job (by your standards since it's all personal opinion) just don't group with that person again. You do have the ability to make that choice.

Anyway, I'm rather new to monking myself, but I do use both breeze and heal party occassionally. I don't spam that things because many of you are right, it eats energy like mad. I use a lot of orison, ethereal, WoH or Blessed Light. I don't take condition or hex removers and I find breeze is a decent way to counter the degen and in worse case scenarios stabalize a players health long enough for me to hit them again with something else. I like Dwayna's kiss when a player is hexed and I have breeze on them, but it's not enough. Nice boost to the healing for Kiss.

Essentially every monk has their own build/way of playing. They don't learn by just copying someone elses build and following instructions. That would get mighty boring don't you think?

Kusandaa · Oct 10, 2006, 08:37 PM // 20:37

A short while ago, I got in a Thirsty River group. They had two monks, which is okay (even though at 6 people, you usually take only one, but oh well...). Fine by me, as long as they help us finish the mission. So we go in... and that's when we realize the monks were BOTH 55's. We try to make without them, but we fail, and we go back to get another monk. Figured he's a 55 too, GG. At least, have the decency to advertise the right build, if you're healer, smite or 55... (and this thing doesn't just apply to monks... we recently had a fire nuker who turned out to be water defense...)

Or this one, that was also advertising as a healer in Imperial Sanctum. Kept wondering why the heals were rather slow - turns out one of the monks is a nuker, and leaves all the job for the other O_o;...

As for my monking abilities... set as Mo/W with a full heal bar. 5e spams, Healing Breeze, Heal Party (I don't use that one often, but it does come handy sometimes), Res chant. Healing Breeze does the job against degens. I've stopped bringing Purge Condition (except sometimes, where enemies can blind often) because the moment I cast it, the target is plagued with Poison/Bleeding right after, and the recharge is long... So far, I've gotten good response to my healing.

PS: Sometimes, all it takes for a monk to be able to heal is for the target to get the heck out of AoE damage... some people just DON'T get it, then blame monks >_<.

PPS: We're not perfect as well... we mess up sometimes, it's normal, just like everyone messes up >_>...

saphir · Oct 10, 2006, 10:22 PM // 22:22

degen/hex removal vs degen counter -

I'm just wondering how to most monks feel about places like the chaos planes in UW or the spider caves in FOW. I generally don't bring hex or condition removal or heal party. but i find it really helpful when the other monk does in these areas =)

I don't know if removal or counter would be better when your entire party is purple/pink or green, and as soon as it's removed it's back on. Sure SB or martyr would be helpful, but those can be vey area specific that they're not much use when you're in a pug and not sure where you might end up clearing to.

When you're facing 9-12 illusion mesmers or 6 poison rangers, is the removal skill useful as the occasional heal, or would you have rather replaced it w/ something else?

Age · Oct 10, 2006, 10:44 PM // 22:44

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Originally Posted by Effendi Westland

if he goes 55 armor infusion doesnt matter

also players just getting to that mission will NEVER be infused, as this is where you get infused.

Apart from that it's very lame to join a team in a 55 build, it never works, always some mesmers or necros round to take care of the enchantments, or do dmg that goes through protective spirit.

That mission you could do as a experienced 55 it is not that hard just to get to the seer only.I wouldn't suggest going beyond that.I would take it that those who use thier Monks for somethinh else either don't play the role very well or just plain lazy to learn it.We could be talking about 11 to 15 year olds as well and most know what they are like they think they are smart which is the bad pug Monks you are getting stuck with.The best time I find to get a could Monk say is early in the morning or late in the evening say after 10pm.Then these kids think they can 55 everywhere and it is probably not Monks now wait for that 55 Necro or WHY.
They are Probably just young kids leeching off of you and it the same with a lot of professions the leavers are probably them.

glasseye · Oct 11, 2006, 02:13 AM // 02:13

Did the Arborstone mission today. I noticed that the other monk wasn't helping much in the healing. I checked what skills he was using and they were mostly smiting skills. When i asked him why he didn't say that he was a smiter when we were forming the group, he said that he does do some healing and that he's a boon smiter. Funny thing is he never had divine boon on himself. In fact, the only enchant he ever had on was when he casted breeze on himself. We had a hard time killing monsters too. Turns out he was using heal area. gg