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Age · Oct 06, 2006, 09:23 PM // 21:23

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Originally Posted by Trvth Jvstice

That's pretty closed minded to say that most of the monks in the game have a bad build. In some cases in PVE missions, the spikes are high enough that the increased cast times of most healing spells makes boon prot better,but I've seen soooo many boon prot monks run out of energy due to bad energy management.

I've tried both boon prot and all heal, so far I prefer heal, but I agree with jana that it's best to have one prot and one healer.

There is more than one Protection line of Monks there is your Normal Active Protect Monk eg. Lina with Shield of Regen,Deflection or Restore Condition or now Life Sheath my new Favourite that is a normal Actice Protect with Reversal,PoS,Guardian and a few others.Then there is your Bonders with Life Bond and Barrier.Then there is your Boon Protects as well as Air Enchants.There is more than just the Boon Protects and who knows what the poster you quoted does.It is better to negate the damage before it starts unless you are dealing with mass of Hexes.

TheProject · Oct 07, 2006, 04:29 AM // 04:29

@Family Draconis:
the Glyph of Renewal/Divine Spirit is a spammers build, its kinda out there and hardly ever used, I think in the total amount of RA matches ive done, ive seen it once (boon/prots are far more common, ive even seen a 4 man TEAM of boon/prots, same exact build for everyone). If anytime my guild wants me to monk, i'll tell them "Erm......hes stuck.....downloading 400 megs, cant play"

EPO Bot · Oct 07, 2006, 10:12 AM // 10:12

There was a lvl 16 monk in dunes of despair yesterday. She only used HB once every 30 seconds and didn't seem to have any other skills.

and she still had her starter armor...

Smile Like Umean It · Oct 07, 2006, 02:10 PM // 14:10

Lol. That's sad.
Why would you even go with them if you knew they were wearing starter armor?

luinks · Oct 07, 2006, 02:26 PM // 14:26

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Originally Posted by Family Draconis

funny story, one monk/ele i saw was using Glyph of Renewal and divine favor for healing. it made me sad T_T

If you meant glyph of renewal and divine spirit i'm sorry to tell you that combo is pretty effective in pve.

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Mo/E_Divine_Spirit_Spammer

Dawgboy · Oct 07, 2006, 05:21 PM // 17:21

I don't know why there's all this HB hate. it mends conditions better than... Mend Conditions. It seems as soon as I use MC on someone that's poisoned he takes more poison damage. Its best use is after the mob is wiped to clean up anyone still degening. It also has a slooow recharge. I do keep it on my bar, though, for blind wars and such.
If I wait to hit them with HB until their health is degened down to 50-75% (depending on if they're taking other damage) I don't waste any health on them and I can usually not worry about them for a few seconds.

HB is NOT spammable-it has its uses and spamming it for general heals isn't one of them. I've seen those Healing Breeze+Heal Party-spamming monks too, and it makes me wish there was a /slapupsideyourhead emote.

The OP mentioned that any good monk can just hench any mission/quest/thing and that's usually true-I henched Defend Drok's without anyone being killed till I hit the last boss pack, but I had to party up to do the "Defend" quest that started at Frontier's Gate. lvl6 henchmen and titans don't mix. I actually partied with two eles and an ss necro and we did it in three tries. The first time out I was using rebirth on the dead party member just as the last titan in the mob was being killed. I forgot that some titans' deaths mean more spawn there-and I happened to be standing right next to him as he died. It was a quick but painful death.

Plus, pugs do have entertainment value.
Henching everything is kind of boring. If I join a pug there's no telling what will happen. It might be a great party where everyone knows their job or it might be a total goat**** where they split up and start yelling at each other. I guess I've been lucky, because I've seen a lot more of the first example.

Arcanis the Omnipotent · Oct 07, 2006, 06:27 PM // 18:27

Being rather inexperienced with my monk, I'm more of a heal bomb. Able to do huge heals all at once as opposed to small heals over time. This being the case I've yet to get into groups with PuGs because of the bitching I would probably recieve.

Most Monk players should be required to play with nothing but henches in the difficult areas of the game, just so they learn faster. Because if you can keep those little AI bastards alive, you can keep anyone alive.

Lytha · Oct 09, 2006, 07:42 AM // 07:42

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Originally Posted by Smile Like Umean It

Lol. That's sad.
Why would you even go with them if you knew they were wearing starter armor?

The starter armor issue is pretty much amusing my new monk character. She started in Tyria, made her way to LA in a set of Wanderer's armor. Once in LA, I sent her over to Kaineng... and crafted her a set in the starter style (except the handwraps, they're Seitung style.) I coloured it in a dye mix.

Before this new armor, she got spammed with blind invites just like normal. Quite annoying, as she's attempting to survive; and that's why she's only teaming up with henchies anyway.

Now with the starter style, max armorlevel armor...

... almost no blind invites in the mission outposts
... being approached by some random wammo stranger in ascalon armor, who told her that she was a *beep*ing noob and suchlike - I can only assume that his outburst was because of the armor, as she hadn't ever met him before and not interacted with him before this outburst.
... the occasional random party members will approach her in the "I am following (a monk)!"-style, but the party leaders won't consider blind inviting her.

I had selected the armor because I adore the style. But this is a wonderful side effect (the cursing wammo aside.)

About the horrible PuG monks: I've noticed them half a year ago just as much as recently. They were one of my reasons why my previous monks never teamed up with another human monk in the areas with party size = 6 (every monk should learn how to keep 6 people alive -alone-, at least.) They were also an endless reason for joy of my ritlord ritualist (before the nerf): HB and HP spammers got all the praise.

Henchies ftw.

Dixie Lady · Oct 09, 2006, 12:01 PM // 12:01

OMG.. you ppl judge players by their style of armour????

I spent alot on my 60armour but in 3 of my chars I prefer the look of the starter armour. I spent hours pouring over photos of every single type of armour. Example, the Ascalon monk.. I really like it.. but to call it noob armour? I got the best and also covered her in runes.
How funny now to think I will be falsely considered a noob by what I wear.

Jas D · Oct 09, 2006, 12:02 PM // 12:02

Just take henches or heroes when NF is released

Dien · Oct 09, 2006, 01:38 PM // 13:38

Seen 55 monks,Mending bonders,healing breenze spämmers in random partys. id suggest you would trust alesia and lina ^^

Trvth Jvstice · Oct 09, 2006, 04:37 PM // 16:37

There's a monk build that is supposed to use starter armor. Though I doubt that the aforementioned monk was using that build.

Smile Like Umean It · Oct 09, 2006, 04:44 PM // 16:44

I have aboslutely no problem with the look of anyones armor. Most time I don't even bother to see what they're using. But, he said they had starter armor not that it looked like starter armor.

Pebbles · Oct 09, 2006, 06:02 PM // 18:02

I can see what you mean. I always go in PuGs with my monk and I think i'm pretty effective I can make some pretty impressive saves. Judge for yourself if you think i'm lame.

Orison
RoF
Dywanas kiss
WoH
Sig of devotion (love this signet.)
Mend aliment (I would go mend condition if I trusted teamates or hench)
Healing touch (for myself)
Rebirth

I like PuG's because it's rewarding like working with special children and somtimes the pepole are OMG skilled and thats always refreshing to see new ideas actually in practice.

Anyway I was trying the "ring of fire mission" yesterday so it wasn't some newbie place, and the other monk I was with was beyond terrible. it was 5 minutes in and I realized that this monk wasn't as proficent as I was

Ie 3 pepole get hit 2 badly 1 minorly I pick to heal one of the badly hurt ones and leave the other badly hurt one for the other guy (to avoid healer overlap)... I will get back to the minor one in a moment. but after I was done with both of them the other monk had still failed to heal the badly hurt warrior dispite having many seconds to do so... I have to do that one aswell.

The only skills I could see this person using were "Sheild of Regeneration (e)" "Protective spirit" and nothing else And they would complain that they ran out of energy and would spend the majority of the time sitting doing nothing. I asked them about this and they said that they ran out of energy all the time and couldn't help it, They couldn't find a working monk build!!!??? $*%#£%!!

The thing that made me cry was that this monk told me that she'd managed to complete all the missions and all the bonuses bar 2... The number of teams whitch must have suffered under that type of "monking" makes me cringe and feel ill.

when the team had all quit been -60'ed I tried to tell that monk the two premises of good monking.
1: *Don't overheal*
2: Good energy to hp ratio

But I was just laughed at. *sigh*

Age · Oct 09, 2006, 06:52 PM // 18:52

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Originally Posted by Dawgboy

don't know why there's all this HB hate. it mends conditions better than... Mend Conditions. It seems as soon as I use MC on someone that's poisoned he takes more poison damage. Its best use is after the mob is wiped to clean up anyone still degening. It also has a slooow recharge. I do keep it on my bar, though, for blind wars and such.
If I wait to hit them with HB until their health is degened down to 50-75% (depending on if they're taking other damage) I don't waste any health on them and I can usually not worry about them for a few seconds.

HB doesn't not mend condition better than Mend Conditions or Ailment it is mere self or for quick regen but when you are ascended lvl20 player that is the time to stop useing it.That is when you get touch anyway about the Starter armour most will believe like I if being lvl4 or 6 you just got run through the game .The reason this is it isn't avaible in post like the Warrior Ringmail is you Warrior starter armour most ppl know the build that uses that armour.The only way others can see how Monking with a PuG group is not all cracked up to what it is is to make a Monk up themselves.I would say that most are really decent at doing thier jop.

Matsumi · Oct 09, 2006, 07:28 PM // 19:28

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Originally Posted by Dien

Seen 55 monks,Mending bonders,healing breenze spämmers in random partys. id suggest you would trust alesia and lina ^^

But, Mhenlo and Alesia spam HB

.... along with sister tai, and danika

oh noes! I've been breezed! it's the end of the world. lol

saphir · Oct 09, 2006, 09:32 PM // 21:32

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Originally Posted by Pebbles

The thing that made me cry was that this monk told me that she'd managed to complete all the missions and all the bonuses bar 2... The number of teams whitch must have suffered under that type of "monking" makes me cringe and feel ill.

the sad thing is that all the missions are very easy in terms of healing so many many monks out there get thru just fine with whatever skills they started out with. It's even easier these days with so many level 20's hanging out to do bonuses, tag along or help out in some other way. Running out of energy rarely means a team wipe in most missions, and if you use henchies exclusively, monking is a breeze (compared to pugs) as all you have to do is call the correct targets for them.

that's why most monks are ill prepared for high end non-hench areas and so they gotta get in the practice by going w/ pugs. and well, bad pug + bad monk makes for every quick deaths.

Monkey Blonde · Oct 09, 2006, 11:03 PM // 23:03

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Originally Posted by Dawgboy

I don't know why there's all this HB hate.

You neglected to mention that it is an enchantment that can and will be shattered, resulting in more healing required and more energy spent.

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Originally Posted by Dawgboy

it mends conditions better than... Mend Conditions.... It also has a slooow recharge.

This slow recharge you refer to is the whopping 2 second recharge of mend condition ? Or is it the identical 2 second recharge of healing breeze ?

Oh, BTW, you don't heal degen with regen. There are guides written by people who know what they are talking about discussing this.

Dawgboy · Oct 10, 2006, 04:13 AM // 04:13

Okay, okay-I see why there's HB hate now.

I didn't mean to imply that it's an uber end-game skill. Up thru the desert it's good, but that's about it. After that there ARE too many monsters that'll use shatter enchantments.
For instance, I recently did my first Rotscale farming group. I didn't have HB, but I did have Healing Seed and Aegis. I was using both and someone piped up "You DO know what Desecrate Enchantmants does, right?" Oh, crap. Yeah, I know what it does, but I was way back out of the line of fire and didn't realize it was being used. Luckily I had enough straight heals to cover my mistake, but I still felt like the biggest noob.

I guess my point is communication is important and too many pugs don't. I'm just glad someone corrected me before it was too late. If you run into something using Shatter or Desecrate on you and the monk keeps using enchantments please please say something. It's usually obvious, but sometimes I'm too busy healing others to realize your H Seed went blammo after two seconds.

The Lich Ranger · Oct 10, 2006, 04:24 AM // 04:24

Henchies Ftw