Curse

Improvavel · Sep 21, 2008, 12:20 PM // 12:20

If you really want to burn an elite monk tome, the winner is [Shield of Judgment].

Useful only if you plan to farm (I like to pay a visit once in a while to undead friends

), but its probably the most annoying one to capture.

A nice alternative is sell the tome for 10k and get yourself max armor or just some elite headgear.

Winterclaw · Sep 21, 2008, 04:31 PM // 16:31

He never mentioned farming, but if he did, wouldn't [spellbreaker] be better since 600/smite is so popular right now?

Improvavel · Sep 21, 2008, 11:26 PM // 23:26

Nope he didn't mention farming, but all the good elites, even some more obscure (as PvE crowd is concerned) like RC and Divert are quite easy caps, I suggested Shield as at least a time consuming one. Spell Breaker doesn't hit me as an hard one, but yeah, its also late in prophecies, although not as late.

Chthon · Sep 22, 2008, 03:25 AM // 03:25

1. Don't get ZB. That skill is dead (or ought to be) since WoH was buffed to self-target.

2. Agreed with the WoH or Deny or Spellbreaker advice. Possibly add: Aura of Faith since it's latest buff.

3. Disagree with all the HBoon hate. It is and always was a good skill. It just gets a bad reputation because it was used in the same team as the dreaded ursan.

JDRyder · Sep 22, 2008, 05:01 AM // 05:01

HB = bad, its only good with a full conset and 6ursans, cause it does not have prots.

-Lotus- · Sep 22, 2008, 06:32 AM // 06:32

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Originally Posted by Chthon

3. Disagree with all the HBoon hate. It is and always was a good skill. It just gets a bad reputation because it was used in the same team as the dreaded ursan.

it is pure healing. how is that a good thing? every skill tops off bars and wastes energy

jon0592 · Sep 22, 2008, 11:50 PM // 23:50

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Originally Posted by -Lotus-

it is pure healing. how is that a good thing? every skill tops off bars and wastes energy

Is that not what you're trying to achieve in the end anyways?

joshuarodger · Sep 22, 2008, 11:57 PM // 23:57

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Originally Posted by jon0592

Is that not what you're trying to achieve in the end anyways?

wasting energy is never a good thing. then you can't heal when you need to. using SoA to keep some one at half health and keep you full of energy is better than topping someone off to full health and running out of energy because you can't prevent damage to anyone. a monk's true strength is in protection, not healing.

on topic: did you ever decide which elite or what to do with the tome?

Trylo · Sep 23, 2008, 12:03 AM // 00:03

healers boon makes patient spirit heal on par with WoH, and insta casts too (40/20/+30 is win)... (also you dont NEED 13 DF, it works the same even @9 DF, allowing a considerable spec into prot)

i have not used ZB since the week before they nerfed it, it's pretty much a dead skill. 10 energy for 200 some health isnt good given the unpredictability of <50%. also most prots are practically just as effective at 10 or 11 than 13 or 14, giving you the ability to easily spec healing for WoH and something like spotless mind.

just stuff to keep in mind. i would personally go with RC or HB since theyre both quite far away in their campaigns.

zelgadissan · Sep 23, 2008, 12:16 AM // 00:16

To everybody who is saying to get Healer's Boon - reread the OP post please.

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Originally Posted by heretotroll

im going to be hybrid or zb prot

If you run Healer's Boon on this bar, you are a massive fail monk. For hybrid - an elite to buff probably 2-3 skills out of 7? Fail. For ZB prot - an elite that affects healing prayers when you're running 6-7 prots? Fail. There are times for HB - this is not one of them.

As far as getting a general elite - I agree with Restore Condition, both for usefulness and painintheassitude of getting it. As far as working on what the OP actually wants to do - the only two respectable elites are WoH and ZB, and since he said he's not using it on WoH, that only leaves ZB.

And yes, please tell us what you actually used the tome on!

JoeKnowMo · Sep 23, 2008, 12:35 AM // 00:35

ZB is only useful in groups of 6 or less where you are the only monk/healer. The only time you'll land ZB consistently in a group of 8 is if the other monk is asleep at the keyboard. Heroes will often beat you to the heal, and if you've a teammate who has party healing that will ruin things too.

Go for WoH or one of the other elites that are difficult to obtain imho.

Trylo · Sep 23, 2008, 12:37 AM // 00:37

i still stand by HB being a viable hybrid variation.

all you need is patient spirit, which gives you an instant cast woh after 2(3) seconds, and supposing you are doing your job of protting it isnt hard to figure out who takes the damage. also, HB makes heal party quite godly.

something like a 14 heal, 11 prot, 9 DF spec would work just like a normal WoH spec.

[healer's boon][patient spirit][shield of absorption][protective spirit][heal party][glyph of lesser energy][spotless mind][dismiss condition]

personally i would drop dismiss for guardian, and some people would drop guardian for aegis. preferences. also, you could spec some into inspiration and take auspicious and inspired hex for more energy management. or just not take energy management.

however im sure the arguement, "2 skills for one!" is going to appear. what exactly do you want to do with that extra slot? i have all the prot i need with SoA, PS/SB, Guardian.

ps - are the skill icons working? theyre not showing :/

-Lotus- · Sep 23, 2008, 02:57 AM // 02:57

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Originally Posted by Trylo

ps - are the skill icons working? theyre not showing :/

I dont even need to quote anything he says about HB to point out how this poster has no concept of logic. sorry mr trylo, pure healing is bad.

Turbobusa · Sep 23, 2008, 04:41 AM // 04:41

lol, he's got 2 heals, where have you seen that makes it pure healing.
But he doesn't take the full advantage of HB which is, sadly, a bar with mostly healing spells.
Get WoH/ZB imo.

JDRyder · Sep 23, 2008, 05:59 AM // 05:59

why healing something 5 times, when you can just put SB on it and not have to heal it at all, and you can pre-prot with it.

Trylo · Sep 23, 2008, 08:41 PM // 20:41

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Originally Posted by -Lotus-

I dont even need to quote anything he says about HB to point out how this poster has no concept of logic. sorry mr trylo, pure healing is bad.

i love reading. you need to do that before you analyze anything.

it even STARTS by saying HYBRID. what that has to do with PURE HEALING i have no idea.

if i were you i would delete your post to look less retarded.

also i was totally serious about that icon thing... whats wrong with it? and tab doesnt indent anymore its quite annoying and makes everything look like a block of text since 5 spaces just get condensed for some reason. the "announcement" says it should have been fixed 2 days ago, if youre referring to that.

onto the topic of wasting an elite skill slot for just 2 other skills:
i have been thinking about it, and i would say that it is justified. my reasoning is this; a monk has 5 uses, they are protting, party protting, party healing, single target healing/mopping, cleaning. Party protting is generally better on a non monk primary, like the elementalist, or a paragon's DA, so i am taking this off the list.

your average prot monk excels at single target prots, and generally cleansing, with varying cast speeds. your average woh hybrid has good prots, great single target heals, and generally longer cast speeds. your full heal generally sucks and im not going to talk about it, however it excels in party heals.

Now what i would like to bring attention to is LoD (prenerf). this allowed a hybrid to excel in party healing, as well as keep the heals like dwaynas, and even have prot spirit and SoA on the bar. this build excelled in party heals, and was decent at single target heals and prots.

i view HB in a similar manner (however party heals are generally the best heals out there if you are protting properly). HB allows WoH power single target heals all the time (not only V50%) and instant cast, allows heal party to be efficient and useful (you lose close to 300 health without HB), and also allows a normal WoH's spec into prot prayers, making its prot abilities quite viable.

now, someone give some real points as to why WoH is the main hybrid and not HB. the only thing i can see arising now is that its an ench, which isnt a big deal if its stripped because its a 10 sec recharge (lol).

Tyla · Sep 23, 2008, 08:44 PM // 20:44

Because HB is a skill that promotes pure healing. If you're bringing HB, you might aswell be running pure healing. Otherwise, hybridise using LoD or WoH.

Trylo · Sep 23, 2008, 08:55 PM // 20:55

im arguing its better than WoH in the same hybrid sense.

edit: im going to stop because i feel that this thread is getting derailed. pm me if you want to argue about it.

Rakor · Sep 23, 2008, 08:58 PM // 20:58

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

Sell the elite tomb and go buy 10 sig caps with the loot.

best idea ive seen XD
as for healing i use HB for my PVE build

illidan009 · Sep 23, 2008, 10:16 PM // 22:16

@ *someone* I forgot to quote....
Martyr is NOT better than HB. All it does is remove conditions and put them on yourself....which is not that important PVE.
I'd suggest you don't get ZB, if you want prot skills get Divert Hexes...I've seen it in a lot of high end builds it looks sooo delicious!! Or just get HB. Word may be better but is easily capped unlike that bastard griffin boss w/ HB