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Undead Cheese · Sep 03, 2010, 05:31 PM // 17:31

Whenever I'm joining a PUG, I end up being kicked when I tell them I'm playing Smite, what the hell is with the Smiter-hate nowadays?

Crassus Praetor · Sep 03, 2010, 05:42 PM // 17:42

The pug probably wants heal/prot and you are not filling the role they need.

They could of course just tell you that and leave you the option to change but people are stupid...

Nubarus · Sep 03, 2010, 06:33 PM // 18:33

Most pugs are morons anyway, best to go and seek out a guild that is big enough for decent activity yet small enough so that they actually know who is who and help each other out.
Most of the really really big guilds don't care about their new members, all they need em for is to boast to more potential new recruits how many members they have in their guild.

kyzia diera · Sep 03, 2010, 06:36 PM // 18:36

couldnt agree more nubarus, and yeah depending on what you were doing you should just go H/H its what i do most of the time and i do just fine, though im a sin, and smiting is ftw

X CDH X · Sep 03, 2010, 06:37 PM // 18:37

Monks are for heal/protting - the smiting line is pretty crappy dps and RoJ causes scatter now lol..........

If you wanna nuke stuff as smite maybe make your own groups up.

Surely you can't be stupid enough to actually think the majority of ppl would let you stay in a group with a half useless, random skill smite build :O

Nubarus · Sep 03, 2010, 06:42 PM // 18:42

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Originally Posted by X CDH X

Monks are for heal/protting - the smiting line is pretty crappy dps and RoJ causes scatter now lol..........

If you wanna nuke stuff as smite maybe make your own groups up.

Surely you can't be stupid enough to actually think the majority of ppl would let you stay in a group with a half useless, random skill smite build :O

And I rest my case.......................Apparently RoJ is the only Smite skill in the game.

Divine Ashes · Sep 03, 2010, 06:55 PM // 18:55

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Originally Posted by Nubarus

And I rest my case.......................Apparently RoJ is the only Smite skill in the game.

Let's face it...there really aren't any amazing smiting builds. RoJ was it's saving grace, and now it's not. I applaud the OP for going with a more creative build, but as others have said, PuGs, when looking for monks and advertising for monks, usually think that a healer/prot is implicit in their demand...which is why they boot you for being smite.

Nubarus · Sep 03, 2010, 07:53 PM // 19:53

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Originally Posted by Divine Ashes

Let's face it...there really aren't any amazing smiting builds.

That's because too many ppl only look at themselves and how much they can do on their own instead of thinking as a team.
That and if you don't do massive AoE dmg on your own your useless............

I am so glad I have a good guild/alliance with ppl in it that don't wear blinders when it comes to different playstyle then <whatever is today's meta>

Skye Marin · Sep 03, 2010, 08:10 PM // 20:10

PuGs have no tolerance for players who play sub-optimal builds. If a pug says they are look for a monk, what they mean is usually a Unyielding Aura healer or prot with Seed of Life. They don't need DPS because they already have it, and all other professions have much better DPS than Monks do. Pug or don't, it's your choice.

Personally, I really appreciate Strength of Honor on an all-physical team, but even that is just one skill.

Xsiriss · Sep 03, 2010, 08:13 PM // 20:13

So many reasons. 1-Smiting is weaksauce. 2- If people get a monk they want them to prot, if they want damage they'll take something else. 3-Following on, monks weren't designed for damage and smiting is inferior to all other damage classes.4-There aren't (m)any good smiting skills that are worth speccing into the entire attribute for.5-You're a friggin monk,not rambo. You want damage go play something else,it's that simple.

TheodenKing · Sep 03, 2010, 08:18 PM // 20:18

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Originally Posted by Nubarus

That's because too many ppl only look at themselves and how much they can do on their own instead of thinking as a team.

^That.

The thing about pugs is: the bad ones are closed-minded or unaware that there is more than one way to do things, and the good ones are looking to fill a specific need. And since they usually take care of damage, etc before they are able to find healing and prot, you are not what they are looking for when you join them as a smiter.

Sadly, unless you join a guild that knows what they are doing, you are likely to only be smiting when with H/H, and healing when in pugs. I didn't mention prot, because pugs seem to favor an imbagon over a prot monk in most places.

Lillium · Sep 03, 2010, 09:29 PM // 21:29

Heh. Whats with the PuG hate here, this is much worse than usual. PuGs are a means to an end, they do serve a purpose, and most of the time you can find pretty decent people. (Gods help me I'm defending PuGs.... ew.)

As to the smite though, when a PuG is forming the biggest question is always "will we be able to find healing?". Specifically competent healing, since competence tends to be an issue in PuGs. By healing being in question, and monks the assumed healers (for reasons that I hope are obvious), monks are automatically rare and having one or two with a good bar is the highest priority. Damage dealers are everywhere, and usually you can take your pick of whatever you like best. Generally this means not smite monks, since RoJ is the only really unconditionally good smite skill. The problem may also be you; when a group says "looking for monk" they do not literally mean any monk. They mean either a monk with heal and/or prot, or a restro ritualist. If you join a party that is 5-7/8 and looking for healing then you should not have joined that party with a smiting build.
Smiting is only really a good option in PvE when you are going around with a H/H team, as the player should focus on damage/offense. This isn't a new thing at all, smite has just never been optimal unless you're facing all undead.

Mouse at Large · Sep 03, 2010, 09:51 PM // 21:51

I'd rather PuG with a good smiter than a bad heal/prot, but then again, I'd rather PuG with a good heal/prot than a good smiter

(undead mobs excluded)

**Marty Silverblade** · Sep 03, 2010, 10:41 PM // 22:41

I definitely wouldn't say Smiters are bad/not worthwhile. If you are set up correctly and your team isn't full of idiots you can put out decent damage. It generally all depends on having the foes balled, which you can pretty much forget about in a PuG, but that only means PuG's are full of stupid people. Also, PuG's see individual bars rather then the party as a whole so on that analysis you would be seen as useless.

Undead Cheese · Sep 03, 2010, 11:26 PM // 23:26

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Originally Posted by Xsiriss

5-You're a friggin monk,not rambo. You want damage go play something else,it's that simple.

Now that's just pure ignorance. Why does Smiting prayers even exist if Monks are supposed to be nothing but healers/prot?

FoxBat · Sep 03, 2010, 11:41 PM // 23:41

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Originally Posted by Undead Cheese

Why does Smiting prayers even exist if Monks are supposed to be nothing but healers/prot?

Just think how eles must feel with 4 out of 5 useless lines.

Luminarus · Sep 04, 2010, 02:00 AM // 02:00

I run a smite bar on my hero most of the time just for SoH & Smite Hex/Condition. It depends on the team as to the best set up, but with minions body blocking mobs to a large extent in one spot, strength of honor increasing my damage, RoJ coming in from the smiter, and any hexes/conditions being blown off for about 100 aoe damage, smites really come in. Throw in splinter weapon, a-rage, and some optional skills, I like the divine favor party heals, and you got a nice damage toon. Admittedly this is on a hero.

For a player, I would drop the rit skills, buff DF, grab seed of life for heals, gdw for more melee buffs, and some good energy management. If they dont want RoJ, then bring something else that works, like UA, a quick unconditional full hp/energy tele rez can never go wrong.

Undead Cheese · Sep 04, 2010, 10:11 AM // 10:11

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

Just think how eles must feel with 4 out of 5 useless lines.

Unfortunately to most PuG's they think Ele = NUKE NUKE NUKE.

Markus Clouser · Sep 04, 2010, 10:29 AM // 10:29

Easy. You barely find healers nowadays. So why would you want a smiter when you can have eles galore but not healers? Of course, there are several areas where smiters are needed.

Wish Swiftdeath · Sep 05, 2010, 02:19 AM // 02:19

I love smiting, that said I always set up as a healer but if a group already has a couple of monks I'm happy to go RoJ(it still works you just need to be smart with it). Smite is also great for 6 person groups when you're doing zmissions since usually 2 healers/protters are superfluous and one isn't enough, a smiter with smiters boon(pve version

) is useful in supporting the main healer and adding a sizeable amount of damage.